I think there should be a time where both sides need to hear what each other has to say about a potential cease fire. Russia is not negotiating from a position of strength, however Ukrainians must also take a more realistic approach. The problem since the start of this war was both sides completely misjudged each other. Ukrainians didn't want to believe Putin would invade despite them annexing and pestering Ukraine for over half a decade. Putin didn't think the West would give them massive support and a president not surrendering. Everyone kind of F-ed up.How? Is there any evidence at all that 'negotiation' can work in this case?
The fallacy in all the traditional thinkers is that they think possible to negotiate with people who think and believe they are acting with Divine authority. One cannot negotiate with God!
The only easy way to read current Kremlin thinking is the read Alexandr Dugin, several of whose books are here:
Reading these, mandatory rating at Russian military schools, will explain how 'negotiation' works in present Russian governmental environment.
Summary: don't even Think that they will stop before they have all Russia:
That means everything that ever was part of the Russian Empire.
Negotiate away, I'm sure they'll settle for Sonoma County California, Alaska, bits of the rest of NorthWest North America, plus obvious Russia like Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Finland, Georgia, Hungary, and so on. Ukraine is strictly an internal conflict, after all, even though some of you unenlightened people don't know it.
Read Dugin, then you'll understand their thought processes.
End: There is no choice! Fight until they're defeated. Hope that they are sane enough to not totally destroy their own interests. Nobody knows if sanity can prevail, but there si no prospect for negotiation and more than there was with Hitler. This time there are quite a few 'true believers' who will continue after Putin would be deposed. I really, really hope I'm wrong...but, living among 'true believers' for long parts of my life convinces me otherwise.
So the problem I see is this. Everyone is STILL trying to downplay what Putin is willing to do next when in fact he has shown to be this idiotic crazy person who triple downs over and over again. He goes as far as killing any oligarchs who opposes his view point and the mistake we shouldn't make again is to downplay where he is willing to go next despite how strategically stupid it is. Strategic stupidity is not of Putin's concern and we have seen for the last 8 months pretty clearly.
This is why the possibility of nukes and WW3 became higher as Ukrainians are winning. Those who thinks "oh yeah Russia will eventually give up and go home" is pretty much as naive as "oh yeah Russia will never invade us, we are neighbors and we like each other" 8 months ago.
Musk pretty much sees the eventual outcome but provide support for Ukrainians to give them as much negotiating power as possible. Now Ukrainians feel like they can completely wipe the floor with Russia through their victories which is most likely short sighted. It's a hopeful outcome but the least likely. I understand why Ukrainians feel this way and if I were their leader, I would to. WW3 is really not what Ukrainians are afraid of at all. They have more to gain from WW3 than what non-participating nations have to lose.
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