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[OhHeyThere]

My first post on the forum and looking forward to many more.

With two large'ish dogs and a 4 year old, my gut purchase option is a Model X but I am trying to cap the total purchase at roughly 80K

So, with that being said, if you were me, which direction would you move towards?
• 2016 CPO P90DL at around 77K
• 2016 90D at around 70K

or ?

Thanks and look forward to being part of the community real soon.

 

[OhHeyThere]

Basically, if you had 75K - 80K to spend on a Tesla, how would you spend it?

* Tried to edit the first post to add this but didn't see the option

 

[Super_Popular]

Personally, I would stay away from the P and the L and go as new as you can.

 

[rush6410]

Does either one have AP2 hardware. If so, choose that one.

 

[OhHeyThere]

Those are hypothetical cars based on prices I have seen. With that being said, fo you feel AP2 is an absolute must?

 

[Saghost]

$80k will also buy you a lightly optioned brand new standard range Raven X (after tax credit) with almost the same range as the older 90s but more efficient, with better AP hardware and better suspension.

Not sure which way I'd go - usually 75s charge slower than 90/100, but that might not be true in this case.

 

[rush6410]

AP2 with FSD option included would be the best choice. Tesla will be upgrading the hardware for FSD purchased vehicles. If you can find any iteration of a 90D with FSD for under 80K would be ideal.

 

[Saghost]

Those are hypothetical cars based on prices I have seen. With that being said, fo you feel AP2 is an absolute must?

AP1 is a solid feature, still ahead of pretty much anything the rest of the industry is doing.

But it is at the limit of its development, and not upgradeable. AP2+ cars are already well ahead in performance (can't tell you much about AP2, but my new AP3 car is amazing - it has a few annoying bad habits but it almost never misreads a road, and can follow serious mountain hairpin turns with no issues, and I think it's using the same NNs as AP2 and AP2.5 cars are right now.)

If Tesla slices the FSD problem like they think they will, every AP2+ car will be upgradable to drive itself. AP1 cars never will.

There's also Sentry mode and Dashcam - much more confidence about what's happening around the car.

Given the choice, I'd absolutely pay a premium for AP2 over AP1 today.

 

[OhHeyThere]

This is great help. Thanks ...

So buying a 2016 P90DL shouldn't be an option?

 

[Zaxxon]

$80k will also buy you a lightly optioned brand new standard range Raven X (after tax credit) with almost the same range as the older 90s but more efficient, with better AP hardware and better suspension.

Not sure which way I'd go - usually 75s charge slower than 90/100, but that might not be true in this case.

This. I'd buy a new base 100D (<$80k after tax credit if you can get one now).

Similar range and acceleration, and better suspension than a 90D. And a new warranty. And current AP hardware.

 

[OhHeyThere]

Ok, last thing. Is there anything to "look out for" IF I were to pull the trigger on a 2016 P90D or 90D?

Thanks for all of your help!

 

[Zaxxon]

On the new front: here's one near you (I think):

2019 Model X | Tesla

Have them remove FSD and it's $81k. $82.2k including delivery fee. $78.5k after Fed tax credit. $76k after CA credit.

 

[Jwarner90]

I’m having the same trouble deciding whether to go brand new or used. I’m more interested in speed than the newest technology, so I’m leaning towards getting the 2016 Model X P90DL. I can’t imagine I’ll keep the car for more than 3 or 4 years, so at that time I’ll upgrade to the newest thing. Depreciation of new cars has always been a hard pill to swallow and I promised myself I would never buy a new car again!

 

[OhHeyThere]

Yeah, same.

IF I didn't have the two dogs I would 100% pull the trigger on the model 3 performance and pick up a model Y Performance for my wife when it come out.

 

[Saghost]

This is great help. Thanks ...

So buying a 2016 P90DL shouldn't be an option?

They're all options. You just need to figure out what's important to you and how long you'll keep the car.

I do expect the value of AP1 cars to drop significantly relative to AP2+ in the next year.

Which will create some great deals for folks who won't use the FSD features and dashcam/sentry.

The P90 is wickedly fast; how much more is that worth to you, knowing you only occasionally get to use that on the road?

 

[Super_Popular]

On the new front: here's one near you (I think):

2019 Model X | Tesla

Have them remove FSD and it's $81k. $82.2k including delivery fee. $78.5k after Fed tax credit. $76k after CA credit.

A 75, blah

By the time you back it out of your driveway the battery is dead

 

[Saghost]

A 75, blah

By the time you back it out of your driveway the battery is dead

2016 P90DL rated range in 2016: 257 miles.
Standard range Raven X rated range: 250 miles.

Given the 2016 will have some degradation, the SR will probably go further...

 

[Zaxxon]

A 75, blah

By the time you back it out of your driveway the battery is dead

The current 75 has the same range as a 90D due to the refreshed drivetrain. And slightly improved acceleration. And the new suspension (which I believe I saw that you didn't find to be a big upgrade. I do.)

 

[OhHeyThere]

I have a lot of thinking to do

 

[Zaxxon]

I have a lot of thinking to do

Best of luck.