JRP3
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To what end? I think they simply accurately described in detail exactly what happened, which in fact left little open to misinterpretation:
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Off topic ramblings from the VIN thread
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To what end? I think they simply accurately described in detail exactly what happened, which in fact left little open to misinterpretation:
RTPEV
Active Member
Investor and potential buyer confidence. Otherwise they would have simply left it at the 793. The rest of the statement contains zero concrete information and is left open to interpretation. We've been over this again. I regret bringing it up, but I know that you understand exactly what their statement means and what it doesn't mean. My point is that the general public is not quite as sophisticated in interpreting words like "extrapolate" and what it means and doesn't mean. And Tesla very much used that fact to its advantage to put their best foot forward while reporting quarterly deliveries.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Tesla wasn't doing a stock offering in the weeks after Q4 so I can't imagine they are really concerned with the short term effect an "implied" or misinterpreted "1k/wk rate" may or may not produce.
They have no choice. They have already told their investors that they would. They are going to have to double their production over and over in the next months.
Hard? Difficult? aren't the opposite of success, but the engine that drives the success train. All you need are people who love that. I live in Chicago and I remember when Michael Jordan was once interviewed and was asked..."How do you feel about the tremendous competition you are going to face in the championship"? to which he answered...."I live for it....if it were easy...I would be bored....I love it". Some people thrive in competition and difficulty and situations that are hard.
Tesla did it with model S and X. They also have production execs on their team that have done it on super large scales when they worked for other companies such as GM and AUDI etc.
Garlanism --> Difficulty doesn't challenge a leader....it reveals a leader.
Hence my insistence that the words Tesla chose were "misleading"...
Misleading......lying. What's the difference?
I just needed some people to say it and others to agree besides me. It worked.
Whenever I say Tesla is lying....I get disagrees. lol
Maybe I should use the politically correct term...."misleading" or "fake news".
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Your inability to understand common words is not Tesla's fault. Read and understand each word in Tesla's statements before accusing them of something.
Surely tesla employees are allowed to go on holidays. That would affect numbers as well but your point is solid. If we see/hear about vins in 6xxx range next week, we can almost safely continue to assume this theory is correct.
I didn't use the word misleading or lying if you were to have read my post all the way through. ( talking about mis understanding ) .
The word misleading is from this post. Highest production VIN in the wild
I was just asking a question to which you didn't answer. There is a difference between an answer and a response.
The only misleading thing by now is the title of this thread....
But they are also giving out VINS in the 5300's. So like I said, they are sprinkling in VINS as old as in the 3ks along with the latest VINS we've seen.
That's why even if they make 1k a week, you won't see VINS +1000 every week. They still have old ones that never went any where.
Reciprocity
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Lol, your comparing a basketball player to Elon Musk? Tesla wouldn't be anything without Musk. You should learn the history more.
The difference between Tesla and GM and Audi is that neither of those companies have done anything new and innovated in decades. Bolt is a great example where they can't make more then 2k per month. Audi can't even learn from VW not to cheat on emissions. There is some leadership!
You must first look at the problem to understand the job Elon has done. This company has grown 100x in cars delivered from 2008-2017. What a crappy leader. The reason so many people short the stock is because it is supposed to be impossible to start a new car company, Which had not happened successfully in many, many decades. This crappy leader has led the model S to dominate the large luxury sedan market in the US with more sales then S class, 7 series, Audi A8 and Porsche panamera combined.
This crappy leader is single handedly forcing more then $100B in Investments from those German companies who had zero intentions of doing so just a couple of years ago.
You call the model 3 late, but forget to mention that Tesla pulled mass production forward 18 months, including the gigafactory. Most companies take 6 years to bring a totally new platform online, which they rarely do because the crap they put out every year has only minor changes from the crap they put out in prior years. Without the gigafactory, there are no batteries for the model 3, they don't exist without it.
Back to your nonsensical argument that Tesla's former Audi and GM employees comment. Those companies are not building highly automated manufacturing lines that run at much higher speeds then the traditional lines. No one has done it. This is a requirement for Tesla that needs to grow at 10x every few years to compete. Anything else would be utter failure.
Elon isn't just a great leader, he is a force of nature.
If your upset that your model 3 is not ready yet, you should cancel your reservation and wait 18 months until it's a showroom. If you think Elon is a crappy leader you should short the stock.
Edit: you should be happy to know Elon will be the leader for 10 more years and won't make anything if the company doesn't deliver.
RTPEV
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Then you tell me why they felt the need to add the whole "extrapolated" comment. Why not just leave it at 793 units produced during the last week of the year?
I think you may exaggerate a little the lack of innovation from Germans, as well as perhaps give Elon a bit too much credit for actual leadership skills... but IMO the following is indisputable:
Tesla, together with Elon's vision and, yes, force of nature nature, single-handedly transformed the automotive industry from ICE to BEV, all in the space of a decade. No matter what you think of individual failings, or ethics, or policies, or comms, or whatever Tesla we like to dabble with on a Sunday evening, this change will always be Tesla's BIG achievement. Nothing can diminish that. Not even the company failing could diminish that anymore, though I don't believe there is any risk of that (Model 3 will obviously succeed). They did big and the world will be different for centuries to come because of that.
This deserves to be said, IMO.
First of all......your personal attacks against me are just over the top.....however there is nothing I can do about them. I've learned that. That's how this works. I can be berated but there can be no scrutiny of Tesla. Got it.
"A basketball player"? that can buy Tesla? Yes I'm comparing a $100B valued individual to Elon.
What in the world are you talking about? Why are you interjecting so many comments I've never made and why are they about me?
Elon called the Model 3 late. Not me.
I'm not upset because my model 3 is late. Everyone's model 3 is late. ....Every first production model of the S, X and 3 was late. that's why Tesla pushed out the estimator on their website every time.
Lastly......your personal attacks against me are just over the top.....however there is nothing I can do about them. I've learned that. That's how this works. I can be berated but there can be no scrutiny of Tesla. Got it.
I can't believe Bonnie is getting the flux in the forum as well. She has to be one of the nicest people here.
This is just too much.
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That's one of my biggest questions. Why? 400K people still in line. Nobody wants the "old VINS"?
Reciprocity
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What personal attack..hahah.. Calling your argument nonsense is not a personal attack, its a fact.
I dont know this Bonnie and have no clue what you are talking about.
Since when is Michael Jordan worth $100B? Off by a whole order of magnitude (Michael Jordan: Net Worth | Investopedia) You put MJ up as a leader, when what he did best was to take over games by himself and win them. He was an amazing athlete. Elon on the other hand, cannot take over the car making game. He must inspire tens of thousands of people to work harder then they ever had and listen to people like you spout off about how bad of a leader they are.
For Elon, delivering the model 3 several years ago would have been late... that is who he is. He starts with Physics and says if possible that the atoms can move together that fast, so its the target date. If you planed your life on Elon time, you would be in big trouble. I highly suggest you stop over personalizing differences of opinion and learn to adjust for Elon time. You will be a much happier person.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Because that doesn't tell the whole story. We apparently aren't going to agree on this one so for my part I'll stop beating this topic to death, it's really irrelevant at this point.
mods, can we rename this thread to “pointless back and forth on production numbers” please.
It’s obvious we’re never getting it back to highest vins in the wild.
Some folk just seem to like finding new ways to say the same old thing, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.............
Oh hang on, /me hits mute
It’s obvious we’re never getting it back to highest vins in the wild.
Some folk just seem to like finding new ways to say the same old thing, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.............
Oh hang on, /me hits mute
voip-ninja
Give me some sugar baby
You have a hilariously delusional view of a few beers being worth more than someone's job... which they will lose if they share that kind of information when keeping it internal is a requirement of their job.
If twenty million factory workers during WW2 could keep their mouths shut for four years out of concerns of German spies in the USA trying to get information on US production numbers then the chance that Tesla factory workers earning good money are going to spill the beans because you chummed it up buying them a cold one are pretty low.
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