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ArtInCT
Always Learning
I love the comments in reports and reviews and from people commenting on them who say that above 130mph the other cars pull away. Where do they do that ??? If it's on a track, then my comment is (and it sounds stupid, but hold on ...) - the Tesla would beat all of those superfast cars on a track, if the race was held on the moon. Because all those other cars need air and the Tesla doesn't. Now the reason this isn't totally stupid is, I have never driven on a racetrack, I have no plans to do so, and I doubt I ever will. If I ever do, it will certainly not be in a situation where the car's performance and top speed will matter, it will be just for fun. Further, I don't know anyone else who races on a track, regularly doing over 130mph. I know people do, but it's a very small percentage of the population, it is a specialist skill, and they sure don't use standard out-of-the-shop cars. If you're doing that specialist thing, use a specialist car. As far as I'm concerned, and everyone I know, the likelihood of going over 130mph in any serious way is so low, it's not much higher than the likelihood of doing it on the moon.
ArtInCT
Always Learning
Beleive me it does weigh a bit more. In Fact on our 2013 Prius IV, the interior is some sort of very light weight psuedo-leather-like material and Toyota mentioned it as reducing weight over the previous leather interior. The base seats are the fabric in the S. Also I asked a tech yesterday at my local SC, who has done quite a few Next-Gen seat retrofits for the early P85D's (you recall many initially shipped with standard seats). He felt that the Next Gen seats were perhaps 20 pounds heavier (per seat) than the standard seats due to the bolsters, extra padding and the taller headrests. So I figure we are perhaps a bit over the weight penalty that I originally estimated. It could be 250+ if Next Gen seats are configured.
Tesla Model S P85D driving on German autobahn Tesla Model S P85D driving on German autobahn - YouTube
On the moon
Never, because weight and traction is 1/6 of Earth, mass is same. So max acceleration is about 1/6 g and stopping distance 6 times longer than on Earth. Mars would be better. Actually battery cooling system would fail on the moon.There is always some car build for one task only which does that task better than Tesla. For example: Electric Miata 9.27 s @ 142 mph TESLA P85 Gets ZAPPED by Electric MIATA !! - 1/4 mile Drag Race Video - Road Test TV - YouTube
As a general purpose car Tesla is hard to beat.
Better cooling system would help on autobahn, but for most it would only add unnecessary cost, weight, air resistance,...
Where is the Max Power button? Is that something you've noticed only on your P90D? I don't see it on my P85D or am I just looking in the wrong place? Can you send a pic?
ArtInCT
Always Learning
Andyw2100
Well-Known Member
ArtInCT
Always Learning
Andy, does the P85D have the Max Power as well? I heard rumors that it would but cannot recall if that happens to stock P85D's or those that will be Upgraded to Ludicrous Mode?
BTW, how is your Blue Beast running?
I am getting ready to order soon...
Andyw2100
Well-Known Member
It does, since version 7. I have not used it.
The Blue Beast is running well. I've had no issues whatsoever with anything drive train related, or really anything crucial to the operation of the car, other than a proactive 12V battery replacement. I've had some niggling things, made worse by the fact that I'm hundred of miles from the service center, so some are still unresolved. The one biggest that doesn't look like it will be resolved because I'm told it is normal at this point is the wind noise. I'd have to ride in others' cars at highway speed to really tell, but I have a hard time believing the level of noise I hear coming in to the cabin at highway speed is really normal. I can definitely hear a difference between the wind noise outside the vehicle, and the sound made when air is coming into the car, and I don't think there should be any of the latter. I know I'm not the only one with this issue.
I know you live fairly close a service center, so you'll be in much better shape than me with respect to being able to get little things taken care of.
I know you'll really love your Model S. I did see recently that you were still planning on obeche matte and tan. I'm sure you'll be at a store another time or eight between now and when you order. Take a look at obeche matte and grey again, just for kicks, to see if you may like that better. Personally, I think the obeche matte has colors in it that blend with the grey better than they would match the tan, but that is probably just personal preference.
Take care!
ArtInCT
Always Learning
Yes I do recall you are a hike away from a service center... I am color challenged, so I pretty much leave all of the color choices that are at all meaningful to my wife. So that is out of my hands. I personally was going for a red S but both my son and wife have put their feet down and said no. So the Midnight Grey Metallic it is. With the obeche matte and tan and black alcantara headliner.
The other options I will get are, red calipers, Ludicrous, 90kWh range, Upgraded sound, Premium Interior, Cold Weather, Pano roof, 19" wheels, I have two sets of other Tesla wheels here all ready to mount up, just need TPMS's and tires for them. One set is a dark grey metallic standard 19" set which will have Nokian snows mounted on them and the other set is a 19" Tsportline cyclone set again in dark grey metallic which will have Micheline Pilot Sport 3 summer tires mounted on them. I will sell the all season wheels and tires that come with the car or keep them as spares... not fully baked on that one. The options I am not getting are the rear seats and the Autonomous Driving Features... I can always add the latter as some future date but at this time cannot see myself using autopilot with the roads around here.
I have a really nice rear Tesla OEM kevlar air foil which I will eventually mount.
Still up in the air on the console stuff front and rear... also the 2nd charger....and such.
I will get the front facing surfaces wrapped in Expel Ultimate for sure after paint correction.
I recall you had your surface coated... how has that work out for you? Any swirls? Worth it in the long run?
The other options I will get are, red calipers, Ludicrous, 90kWh range, Upgraded sound, Premium Interior, Cold Weather, Pano roof, 19" wheels, I have two sets of other Tesla wheels here all ready to mount up, just need TPMS's and tires for them. One set is a dark grey metallic standard 19" set which will have Nokian snows mounted on them and the other set is a 19" Tsportline cyclone set again in dark grey metallic which will have Micheline Pilot Sport 3 summer tires mounted on them. I will sell the all season wheels and tires that come with the car or keep them as spares... not fully baked on that one. The options I am not getting are the rear seats and the Autonomous Driving Features... I can always add the latter as some future date but at this time cannot see myself using autopilot with the roads around here.
I have a really nice rear Tesla OEM kevlar air foil which I will eventually mount.
Still up in the air on the console stuff front and rear... also the 2nd charger....and such.
I will get the front facing surfaces wrapped in Expel Ultimate for sure after paint correction.
I recall you had your surface coated... how has that work out for you? Any swirls? Worth it in the long run?
Andyw2100
Well-Known Member
I know you know this, but the Autopilot features include a lot more than the self-driving stuff. For example, unless I'm mistaken the auto high beam is an autopilot feature. Also the lane departure warning I believe is an autopilot function. Both of those are features you might find useful, even if you never use the main "let the car steer" function.
I did. Good memory!
I am happy with the Opticoat Pro. I don't think I have any swirl marks. I figured with what I paid for the car, the amount I paid for the paint correction and Opticoat Pro was a small price to pay to try to protect the car's finish a bit.
If you decide to go with something along those lines, my understanding is that finding a quality installer is key. Everyone says the actual product used is far less important than the quality of the installer.
Good luck!
MikeBur
ManualPilot
@ArtInCt: I also had Xpel Ultimate for front and opticoat for all of car, on a midnight grey. Was some paint correction, though no swirls to date. I 2 bucket clean the car by hand, which apparently helps a lot. Last service they washed my car and it wasn't good, ymmv obviously.
p85d is awesome, minus my mid-speed acceleration expectations. P90D is even better. Enjoy your car!
cheers, Mike
Andyw2100
Well-Known Member
You are correct. I just went to the Tesla website to check. The following is from the website:
Safety
- Daytime running lights
- Available Smart Air Suspension for raising and lowering ride height
- Eight airbags for driver and passenger heads, knees, and pelvis plus two side curtain airbags
- Electronic stability and traction control
- Four wheel antilock disc brakes with electronic parking brake
- Front and side collision avoidance
- Blind spot warning
- Lane departure warning
- Parking sensors
- Speed limit display
Autopilot Convenience Features add
- Traffic-aware cruise control
- Automatic lane centering and changing
- Parking space detection
- Self parallel parking
- Automatic high/low beam headlights
I found it interesting that TACC is part of autopilot. I'm guessing some basic cruise conrol must come standard if you don't buy autopilot. At least I'd hope it would. But back to recommendations for Art, TACC is very useful, and you may find some real benefit in that.
I can confirm that non-AP enabled (AP disabled?) cars have CC. Standard "dumb" CC as it were, which is no different than most other vehicles. I happened to order my vehicle pre 7.0 but had it delivered post 7.0, and as such the AP functionality during time of ordering was not enough to get me to purchase it (which I now regret). Thankfully it's a simple OTA push after paying Tesla $3k for the trouble of doing so, so I'll eventually get my druthers. Heh.
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