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Only partly clickbait. I wouldn’t say I’m a hater but pretty cynical and hard to please. This could also be read as uncompromising or a refusal to lower my standards. Either way, I think I’m a pretty fair person. So here’s my review of my first month of Model Y/LR ownership. I’m coming from decades of BMW ownership as a benchmark and I work on all my older BMWs and motorbikes so have a decent grasp of design, engineering and parts/cost ratios etc.

BODY
I think it looks great. I don’t understand how anyone could call it remotely ugly. Tesla have managed to create a recognisable design language for their brand and not look over-designed (Germans of today) or anonymous (Far East). I quite like the crossover style shape but the only colour to get was midnight grey. White looks like an appliance and black looks like a taxi. Red is silly. I wanted black wheels but was never going for the bigger 20” as I knew the ride would suck. So instant swap for the same factory Gemini’s in satin black, the local wheel specialists have them on the shelf. I think they’re Tesla’s best looking wheel. Very happy with the looks, which are important to me.

INTERIOR
This is a massive success. Tesla’s decision to be bold and centre everything around a large screen makes the cabin a great place to be. Pillar-less glass roof, pillar-less doors are ace and the general zen vibes match the eco-smugness of wafting about town quietly - it’s a great place to be. Big thumbs up on this and the concealed venting system which helps maintain that minimalism is also smart - a coherent and well executed CONCEPT. The quality is not bad - it’s not premium German but seems solid enough. The pillar linings are cheap and the mats are thin but the dash, console and door cards are decent - the door cards especially have four different materials which I appreciate. The vegan leather is not close to leather at all but it’s not at all vinyl vibes. Storage is excellent from boot to frunk and centre console, class leading, open and shut case. Wireless chargers - again a no brainer.

DRIVE
The ride is awful. Even with the 19s. I cannot for the life of me understand why this could be as they must have had all the time and engineers they needed to tune and calibrate dampers before setting the final spec. As with other things, feels like Tesla’s are made for California / USA billiard smooth roads and to hell with everyone else. Drives ok but a large part of this is the nature of point-and-squirt EVs. Flabby handling but then the firm ride does get some body control. I have an LR and the range is disappointing, I cannot get remotely close to the 300+ miles and I'm no Senna. Even a solid 300 is far fetched. I hate being sold 'lab miles' is still legal.

INFOTAINMENT
Like the driver profile system with phone as key - excellent. Memorising settings as you change things - excellent. The UI and UX is poor however. Really poor. A mess of incoherence and bad design, not at all driver focused / safety focused. If you base your whole driving interaction around that one screen it must be FLAWLESS and it isn’t. Why aren't voice prompts used more? And voice commands are poor for a tech company. Some say it’s because they’re focused on future (LOL) autonomy so the driver isn’t important but it’s poor even in that context. I’ve covered this elsewhere.

FEATURES / SPEC
I really like the idea that there is no spec list to jack up the price. You get everything as standard (though that was probably a build efficiency decision than offering great customer value) but I dig it. I think the Enhanced Autopilot and FSD upgrades are a nonsense, especially in a congested big city like London where plain old PARKING SENSORS would be more welcome. Those software options are stupidly priced and criminally marketed. And I mean that in the go-to-prison sense. I can't believe people pay for them. Glad I swerved.

BUYING EXPERIENCE
Awful. Queued up in a cold tent, had my keys thrown at me and pretty much told to find my car and get out of there. Then again, people were QUEUING to take the things, at what other 'dealer' do you see that? This was after a few false starts on actual delivery. I’m exaggerating a tiny bit but it wasn’t far off. Let's just say it wasn't a £60K experience.

CUSTOMER SERVICE
Non existant. The flat out ignoring of customers asking for return calls / emails, the random feature yanks and flat out LYING about what the car can / might do in the future is astonishing. How they get away with this is mad. Feels like you're totally alone once they've got your cash, a horrible feeling. Strong brands are built AFTER purchase.

So in short, I want to love the car but Tesla is making me feel ‘meh’ about it. If they just focused a bit more on a few things it would be excellent. But their shitty attitude (and Elon’s BS) has absolutely put me off a second one or another one later on.
 
Only partly clickbait. I wouldn’t say I’m a hater but pretty cynical and hard to please. This could also be read as uncompromising or a refusal to lower my standards. Either way, I think I’m a pretty fair person. So here’s my review of my first month of Model Y/LR ownership. I’m coming from decades of BMW ownership as a benchmark and I work on all my older BMWs and motorbikes so have a decent grasp of design, engineering and parts/cost ratios etc.

BODY
I think it looks great. I don’t understand how anyone could call it remotely ugly. Tesla have managed to create a recognisable design language for their brand and not look over-designed (Germans of today) or anonymous (Far East). I quite like the crossover style shape but the only colour to get was midnight grey. White looks like an appliance and black looks like a taxi. Red is silly. I wanted black wheels but was never going for the bigger 20” as I knew the ride would suck. So instant swap for the same factory Gemini’s in satin black, the local wheel specialists have them on the shelf. I think they’re Tesla’s best looking wheel. Very happy with the looks, which are important to me.

INTERIOR
This is a massive success. Tesla’s decision to be bold and centre everything around a large screen makes the cabin a great place to be. Pillar-less glass roof, pillar-less doors are ace and the general zen vibes match the eco-smugness of wafting about town quietly - it’s a great place to be. Big thumbs up on this and the concealed venting system which helps maintain that minimalism is also smart - a coherent and well executed CONCEPT. The quality is not bad - it’s not premium German but seems solid enough. The pillar linings are cheap and the mats are thin but the dash, console and door cards are decent - the door cards especially have four different materials which I appreciate. The vegan leather is not close to leather at all but it’s not at all vinyl vibes. Storage is excellent from boot to frunk and centre console, class leading, open and shut case. Wireless chargers - again a no brainer.

DRIVE
The ride is awful. Even with the 19s. I cannot for the life of me understand why this could be as they must have had all the time and engineers they needed to tune and calibrate dampers before setting the final spec. As with other things, feels like Tesla’s are made for California / USA billiard smooth roads and to hell with everyone else. Drives ok but a large part of this is the nature of point-and-squirt EVs. Flabby handling but then the firm ride does get some body control. I have an LR and the range is disappointing, I cannot get remotely close to the 300+ miles and I'm no Senna. Even a solid 300 is far fetched. I hate being sold 'lab miles' is still legal.

INFOTAINMENT
Like the driver profile system with phone as key - excellent. Memorising settings as you change things - excellent. The UI and UX is poor however. Really poor. A mess of incoherence and bad design, not at all driver focused / safety focused. If you base your whole driving interaction around that one screen it must be FLAWLESS and it isn’t. Why aren't voice prompts used more? And voice commands are poor for a tech company. Some say it’s because they’re focused on future (LOL) autonomy so the driver isn’t important but it’s poor even in that context. I’ve covered this elsewhere.

FEATURES / SPEC
I really like the idea that there is no spec list to jack up the price. You get everything as standard (though that was probably a build efficiency decision than offering great customer value) but I dig it. I think the Enhanced Autopilot and FSD upgrades are a nonsense, especially in a congested big city like London where plain old PARKING SENSORS would be more welcome. Those software options are stupidly priced and criminally marketed. And I mean that in the go-to-prison sense. I can't believe people pay for them. Glad I swerved.

BUYING EXPERIENCE
Awful. Queued up in a cold tent, had my keys thrown at me and pretty much told to find my car and get out of there. Then again, people were QUEUING to take the things, at what other 'dealer' do you see that? This was after a few false starts on actual delivery. I’m exaggerating a tiny bit but it wasn’t far off. Let's just say it wasn't a £60K experience.

CUSTOMER SERVICE
Non existant. The flat out ignoring of customers asking for return calls / emails, the random feature yanks and flat out LYING about what the car can / might do in the future is astonishing. How they get away with this is mad. Feels like you're totally alone once they've got your cash, a horrible feeling. Strong brands are built AFTER purchase.

So in short, I want to love the car but Tesla is making me feel ‘meh’ about it. If they just focused a bit more on a few things it would be excellent. But their shitty attitude (and Elon’s BS) has absolutely put me off a second one or another one later on.
You have 19"s with the new "comfort" suspension and the ride is still awful?

What vehicle did you come from?
 
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You have 19"s with the new "comfort" suspension and the ride is still awful?

What vehicle did you come from?
Various modern BMW 3s and MPVs etc some with Sport suspension some not. The Tesla takes forever to settle after a bump / pothole which suggests it’s underdamped. And too firmly sprung. Ride quality isn’t just about how harsh it if.
 
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I come from German cars as well.

Interior is of avg quality. Tesla did a good job of hiding cost cutting but the door cards have hard plastics and it should all be covered.
There are manufacturing choices that are unacceptable on a Corolla, much less anything above $20k. But, they hide it moderately well and are clever on streamlining assembly and cost cutting.
Design is excellent and we also really appreciate the super clean aesthetic.
Disappointed that the center usb-c's are power only. The only port capable of data is in the glovebox. Not the end of the world.

Better rebound control would go a long way in suspension complaints. Maybe they will invest a few dollars that they are saving on all the cost cutting...
 
Various modern BMW 3s and MPVs etc some with Sport suspension some not. The Tesla takes forever to settle after a bump / pothole which suggests it’s underdamped. And too firmly sprung. Ride quality isn’t just about how harsh it if.
I have a 21 MYLR and the ride is firm. It is a bit harsh on rougher roads but never too bouncy.

Interesting that the "comfort" suspension improved some harshness but not overall ride quality.
 
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Sounds fair. Ride definitely has room for improvement though mine's a 2020 and I haven't had a chance to check on the latest version. Customer service is a huge opportunity for improvement though thankfully I've had little reason to think about it since I picked up mine, though lot's of grief expressed here of course. Still want my soft close doors too.... :)
 
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Tell me you've never been to California without telling me that you've never been to California.
Lol. I’ve been from San Diego to SF by motorbike and car multiple times. Regularly visit LA for work. Stayed in Joshua Tree, Palm Springs, Lake Tahoe, Santa Cruz, SLO Town etc etc. One of my fave places. Been visiting family and friends for decades.

The roads are nothing like London pal.
 
Lol. I’ve been from San Diego to SF by motorbike and car multiple times. Regularly visit LA for work. Stayed in Joshua Tree, Palm Springs, Lake Tahoe, Santa Cruz, SLO Town etc etc. One of my fave places. Been visiting family and friends for decades.

The roads are nothing like London pal.
Interesting that our experiences are so different. I found the pavement in London and most other places I've driven in Europe to be of very high quality, and find the pavements in California, especially on urban freeways, to be a disgrace. Maybe I was too focused on not dying by driving in the wrong direction when I was in London and didn't pay enough attention to the pavement quality 😀
 
Interesting that our experiences are so different. I found the pavement in London and most other places I've driven in Europe to be of very high quality, and find the pavements in California, especially on urban freeways, to be a disgrace. Maybe I was too focused on not dying by driving in the wrong direction when I was in London and didn't pay enough attention to the pavement quality 😀
To be fair, the rutted concrete freeways around LA etc aren’t great, maybe I’m being too kind. Most UK roads are shocking.

France and Germany are the gold standard. Crawling with French and Germans tho. 😆

Don’t cancel me!
 
Disappointed that the center usb-c's are power only. The only port capable of data is in the glovebox. Not the end of the world.
They discontinued center console data between when I ordered my MYLR and when I accepted delivery. Thankfully that one has an easy after market fix that I installed during the first month. I don't actually use those plugs for data very often, but would upgrade them again anyway. The price has even come down since I bought mine.

 
I have a better solution for $25 and kinda nice having the usb in the glovebox out of the way.
klutchtech

If I were doing the console module, I would just go OEM Tesla and not deal with rebadged aliexpress stuff.
If your warranty is expired, you can try it but Tesla is pretty hardcore if you have anything non-stock installed.
 
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I had a feeling the 2023 suspension wasn't going to be a massive transformation. Tesla isn't going to start putting Bilsteins on their cars for the OE dampers, even though they are sorely needed.
Just made the same reply to someone else who suggested that Tesla has 'solved' the suspension issue. Granted I have not ridden in my a 2023 Model Y yet.. but my 2021 Model Y is the stiffest vehicle I have ever owned. And this is coming from a person who daily drove a C6 Corvette. I certainly welcome the offer to test drive a '23 Model Y.. and will do so either through Tesla or a Hertz weekend rental. But just seems so far the difference isn't as significant as some people thought it would be.
 
Granted I have not ridden in my a 2023 Model Y yet.. but my 2021 Model Y is the stiffest vehicle I have ever owned.
I haven’t driven the earlier Y so can’t really comment but if it’s worse than the current one 💀

My issue isn’t just the stiffness. I like a tighter handling and there isn’t much hi-frequency harshness but the suspension feels like older VW/Audi stuff - wooden and crashy and not controlled.

Maybe they made the springs softer for ‘23 but the shocks are still a bit ‘on or off’ would love know what they did.
 
Just made the same reply to someone else who suggested that Tesla has 'solved' the suspension issue. Granted I have not ridden in my a 2023 Model Y yet.. but my 2021 Model Y is the stiffest vehicle I have ever owned. And this is coming from a person who daily drove a C6 Corvette. I certainly welcome the offer to test drive a '23 Model Y.. and will do so either through Tesla or a Hertz weekend rental. But just seems so far the difference isn't as significant as some people thought it would be.
I have the 20 inch inductions and I like the suspension. It's a little stiffer than my 2015 Lexus IS250 F Sport but the 23 MYLR is by far the more comfortable car. Especially when getting in and out and going on road trips.
 
BUYING EXPERIENCE
Awful. Queued up in a cold tent,
Wow! A tent, you were very fortunate. My wife and I picked up our Model Y long range in the rain, with NO overhead cover.

What amuses me is the golf cart approach to the accelerator and braking. Tesla has one foot driving because Tesla kept the brakes simple. They don't incorporate regenerative braking. That is all done with the accelerator, just like my EZ-Go golf cart!

The suspension is interesting. It seems very nice on the interstate at 75 mph. At lower speeds it can be excessively choppy and stiff.
 
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Only partly clickbait. I wouldn’t say I’m a hater but pretty cynical and hard to please. This could also be read as uncompromising or a refusal to lower my standards. Either way, I think I’m a pretty fair person. So here’s my review of my first month of Model Y/LR ownership. I’m coming from decades of BMW ownership as a benchmark and I work on all my older BMWs and motorbikes so have a decent grasp of design, engineering and parts/cost ratios etc.

BODY
I think it looks great. I don’t understand how anyone could call it remotely ugly. Tesla have managed to create a recognisable design language for their brand and not look over-designed (Germans of today) or anonymous (Far East). I quite like the crossover style shape but the only colour to get was midnight grey. White looks like an appliance and black looks like a taxi. Red is silly. I wanted black wheels but was never going for the bigger 20” as I knew the ride would suck. So instant swap for the same factory Gemini’s in satin black, the local wheel specialists have them on the shelf. I think they’re Tesla’s best looking wheel. Very happy with the looks, which are important to me.

INTERIOR
This is a massive success. Tesla’s decision to be bold and centre everything around a large screen makes the cabin a great place to be. Pillar-less glass roof, pillar-less doors are ace and the general zen vibes match the eco-smugness of wafting about town quietly - it’s a great place to be. Big thumbs up on this and the concealed venting system which helps maintain that minimalism is also smart - a coherent and well executed CONCEPT. The quality is not bad - it’s not premium German but seems solid enough. The pillar linings are cheap and the mats are thin but the dash, console and door cards are decent - the door cards especially have four different materials which I appreciate. The vegan leather is not close to leather at all but it’s not at all vinyl vibes. Storage is excellent from boot to frunk and centre console, class leading, open and shut case. Wireless chargers - again a no brainer.

DRIVE
The ride is awful. Even with the 19s. I cannot for the life of me understand why this could be as they must have had all the time and engineers they needed to tune and calibrate dampers before setting the final spec. As with other things, feels like Tesla’s are made for California / USA billiard smooth roads and to hell with everyone else. Drives ok but a large part of this is the nature of point-and-squirt EVs. Flabby handling but then the firm ride does get some body control. I have an LR and the range is disappointing, I cannot get remotely close to the 300+ miles and I'm no Senna. Even a solid 300 is far fetched. I hate being sold 'lab miles' is still legal.

INFOTAINMENT
Like the driver profile system with phone as key - excellent. Memorising settings as you change things - excellent. The UI and UX is poor however. Really poor. A mess of incoherence and bad design, not at all driver focused / safety focused. If you base your whole driving interaction around that one screen it must be FLAWLESS and it isn’t. Why aren't voice prompts used more? And voice commands are poor for a tech company. Some say it’s because they’re focused on future (LOL) autonomy so the driver isn’t important but it’s poor even in that context. I’ve covered this elsewhere.

FEATURES / SPEC
I really like the idea that there is no spec list to jack up the price. You get everything as standard (though that was probably a build efficiency decision than offering great customer value) but I dig it. I think the Enhanced Autopilot and FSD upgrades are a nonsense, especially in a congested big city like London where plain old PARKING SENSORS would be more welcome. Those software options are stupidly priced and criminally marketed. And I mean that in the go-to-prison sense. I can't believe people pay for them. Glad I swerved.

BUYING EXPERIENCE
Awful. Queued up in a cold tent, had my keys thrown at me and pretty much told to find my car and get out of there. Then again, people were QUEUING to take the things, at what other 'dealer' do you see that? This was after a few false starts on actual delivery. I’m exaggerating a tiny bit but it wasn’t far off. Let's just say it wasn't a £60K experience.

CUSTOMER SERVICE
Non existant. The flat out ignoring of customers asking for return calls / emails, the random feature yanks and flat out LYING about what the car can / might do in the future is astonishing. How they get away with this is mad. Feels like you're totally alone once they've got your cash, a horrible feeling. Strong brands are built AFTER purchase.

So in short, I want to love the car but Tesla is making me feel ‘meh’ about it. If they just focused a bit more on a few things it would be excellent. But their shitty attitude (and Elon’s BS) has absolutely put me off a second one or another one later on.
So, my TL;DR question is - what EV would you get if not a Tesla?

I got my Model Y last year as a hold over until I land on a forever car. I've had a couple top-end BMWs (I cannot imagine a world owning another), Infinitis, Acura, etc. I am tracking the Cadillac Lyriq, but you have to deal with Cadillac and GM. And almost everyone else's range and performance lack. And most cars retain a lot of ICE legacy behaviors (like the start-stop button) and eschew the automation.

In the US, the buying experience through legacy dealers is terrible. Like so many orders of magnitude more terrible than any next-gen car, it is hard to imagine desiring that if not forced into it.