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IMO, they are either going to have to give the center horn to everybody or nobody.Wonder if it will be possible to retrofit a horn in earlier builds. I could see a class action on this though as it's just dangerous and I've had so many situations I've tried to honk and couldn't find it in time
I know, right? There have been several minor software updates since November—the most recent allows more customization of the bottom bar so one may add the defrost control etc. — it’s self evident every minor update required more programming effort than enabling a horn switch; none took six months.IMO, they are either going to have to give the center horn to everybody or nobody.
As of today, we know where they stand.
Exactly. Horn = ON is not a heavy lift for the programming team but here we are, months after the announcement, with no horn.I know, right? There have been several minor software updates since November—the most recent allows more customization of the bottom bar so one may add the defrost control etc. — it’s self evident every minor update required more programming effort than enabling a horn switch; none took six months.
Clearly, there’s another reason it’s not yet functional.
There are only disadvantages, that’s why!turn signal and lack of horn are my biggest gripes. honestly just keeping a full steering wheel would have been better, I don't see much advantage to the yoke after driving the car for several months
I’m genuinely confused by this. The yoke ruined turn signal & horn implementation to which you rightly object (as do I). Speed-sensitive steering ratios are not possible with a mechanical steering rack, so that’s not coming any time soon. Drive by wire would be more expensive, troublesome, and complex than it’s worth—it also would totally eliminate road feel and possibly kill you when it fails.If I had to order again I think I would still go with the yoke.
If the horn and turn signal implementations were improved I would definitely go with the yoke.
If speed sensitive steering ratios was also an option, I would most definitely stay with the yoke.
Ford has done this in the F-Series Pickups by adding a motor to overdrive the steering rack compared to the wheel and retain a mechanical connectionSpeed-sensitive steering ratios are not possible with a mechanical steering rack, so that’s not coming any time soon.
Would only really need a clutch installed inline on the shaft to disconnect and reconnect if power fails. Seems easy enough to also add a manual override if needed on the shaft similar to how manual tilt/telescoping wheels work. Then an extra motor in the shaft to provide force feedback. Electronic assist racks in general have poor road feel anyways.Drive by wire would be more expensive, troublesome, and complex than it’s worth—it also would totally eliminate road feel and possibly kill you when it fails.
Yup—any who like the haptic yoke, great—they may happily keep it! I, however, dislike it greatly.No matter what though, I would gladly take a wheel + stalks over a yoke any day. Either way, everyone has their own opinions on what is the "right" option.
I’m genuinely confused by this. The yoke ruined turn signal & horn implementation to which you rightly object (as do I). Speed-sensitive steering ratios are not possible with a mechanical steering rack, so that’s not coming any time soon. Drive by wire would be more expensive, troublesome, and complex than it’s worth—it also would totally eliminate road feel and possibly kill you when it fails.
Packing all possible controls onto the yoke eliminated functions that were useful on the older cars—e.g.: the ability to answer or dismiss phone calls and texts from the wheel buttons, customizable thumb wheels, etc. On-screen shifting is incredibly annoying during tight parking and multi-point turns—common urban situations in which auto-park and the new auto-‘shift’ are useless.
Is there any tangible functionality that the yoke and stalkless controls have improved? What do you like about the yoke? I want to understand why you would stick with it, given the choice, in spite of your objections.
I have no problem with the yoke itself. I like the looks and open forward feeling and view. I also like the way it drops in my hands, almost in my lap. I also like it because it is different, After 50+ years of driving a wheel the yoke is a nice change that I look forward to every day. For me on screen anything while driving is less than optimal but shifting when necessary is almost effortless. Certainly way better than most cars where you also need to brake before each shift\direction change. I rather like the intuitive auto shift. Mine seems to pick the correct direction 95% of the time.
On the other hand the user interface and ergonomics is lacking. You brought up one of the worst oversights I forgot to mention... that currently you cannot answer the phone from the yoke. This is not a "yoke" problem. I would think this is a simple programming fix as is hopefully the horn. That leaves the turn signals. For me, having them on the yolk is no problem but the position and type of switch is less than optimal. I believe all the other interface functions can be handled by the existing buttons and the right scroll wheel which is only about 50% utilized (leaving room for customization)?
They auto cancel. That’s probably one of the best parts of the new S, - I don’t have to think about canceling my turn signals ever. I’m using a Model 3 loaner currently and I really miss the S turn signals (except on roundabouts).The aftermarket flat top steering wheel seems much more practical and still allows the forward visibility. For me the turn signals take up too much mental bandwidth if I'm quickly changing lanes. Not only do I have to worry if they activated, but I have to worry about canceling them. With a stalk there is no learning curve and it just works.
I’m genuinely confused by this. The yoke ruined turn signal & horn implementation to which you rightly object (as do I). Speed-sensitive steering ratios are not possible with a mechanical steering rack, so that’s not coming any time soon. Drive by wire would be more expensive, troublesome, and complex than it’s worth—it also would totally eliminate road feel and possibly kill you when it fails.
Packing all possible controls onto the yoke eliminated functions that were useful on the older cars—e.g.: the ability to answer or dismiss phone calls and texts from the wheel buttons, customizable thumb wheels, etc. On-screen shifting is incredibly annoying during tight parking and multi-point turns—common urban situations in which auto-park and the new auto-‘shift’ are useless.
Is there any tangible functionality that the yoke and stalkless controls have improved? What do you like about the yoke? I want to understand why you would stick with it, given the choice, in spite of your objections.
A bit, and thank you for your response. Sadly, the new controls remain a deal breaker for me.Did my response (#52) address or reduce some of your confusion?
A bit, and thank you for your response. Sadly, the new controls remain a deal breaker for me.
I would never say the yoke and controls on my MS are a “non-issue”.Apparently Ferrari and Lamborghini also utilize turn signals on the wheel. I have had two people tell me they like Tesla's implementation of the yoke turn signal buttons better than the exotics. I say this only in that you adapt to any perceived shortcomings and it becomes a non-issue before you know it. In other words, I would not let the yoke or its user interface stop you from getting a rather magical automobile.
I would never say the yoke and controls on my MS are a “non-issue”.
It always sucks and I just deal with it until something better comes along.
Your average Joe/Jane simply isn’t going to drop $100K+ on an electric vehicle and just get used to it.