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I am very fortunate to live 8 hours away from a test drive.
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My only experience with ventilated seats were in newer (2014-2015 I guess) Lexus ES350 and 2015 Porsche Cayman. Porsche ones were nice, but wasn't that impressed with the Lexus ones. It was much hotter outside temperature with the Lexus though, so maybe that had something to do with it. Even if they are not that effective, I told myself my next car will have them. Sure hope it is option on the 3.
Out of curiosity, was the women you talked to from Fremont named Amber?
I went on a test drive at the end of August with my friend who was considering the 2-year-lease. When the drive ended, the Tesla rep walked us back to the office, which was beginning to close, gave his business card to my friend, and said to contact him if we had any questions. That was it. My friend couldn't believe it. Of course, before we went on the test drive I had told my friend about Tesla finishing last at being "salesy" and that their sales team was referred to more like museum curators, which was *exactly* what we experienced.
My friend ordered an S60 2-year-lease a few days later and says it's the best car he's ever had.
The car has exceeded his expectations, and he's the only one at his firm with a Tesla, amongst Mercedes and BMWs. Everyone in his office is trying to figure out "who has the Tesla".
I am very fortunate to live 8 hours away from a test drive.
Man, a lot of people seem to think the Model 3 will have all the latest and greatest features as options. Model S just got ventilated seats, and only for the top of the line model. You can't even get it on the lesser configurations of the same car. It also took them 4 years to do it.My only experience with ventilated seats were in newer (2014-2015 I guess) Lexus ES350 and 2015 Porsche Cayman. Porsche ones were nice, but wasn't that impressed with the Lexus ones. It was much hotter outside temperature with the Lexus though, so maybe that had something to do with it. Even if they are not that effective, I told myself my next car will have them. Sure hope it is option on the 3.
Out of curiosity, was the women you talked to from Fremont named Amber?
Man, a lot of people seem to think the Model 3 will have all the latest and greatest features as options. Model S just got ventilated seats, and only for the top of the line model. You can't even get it on the lesser configurations of the same car. It also took them 4 years to do it.
And now you're expecting it to be an option on the budget car they're rolling out in a couple years? I think people are going to be sorely disappointed in the gimmicky features available on the 3.
This is true, but there will always be features that separate the 3 from the S, just like every other car company on the planet. Plain and simple, you will not be able to configure your 3 like an S, just with $40k slashed off the base price. Anybody who thinks this is delusional.I honestly think you may need to decouple your thoughts of what the $35,000 Model 3 will be from the higher-end realities.
If the margins Tesla makes on ventilated seats as an option are favorable, and help them close ground on any potential shortfall from base model vehicles, ventilated seats will be in higher-end Model 3's.
Tesla's game is about getting people to buy high margin cars in volume now.
Exhibit A: the demise of the Model X 60.
Hmmm... The enticement to purchase a Model S is that it is NOT a Panamera, Quattroporte, LS, A8 L, Q70, RLX, Genesis, 7-Series, S-Class, or any other flagship vehicle from traditional automobile manufacturers. The appearance of the Model ☰ will not prevent the Model S from continuing to kick all of their butts. Tesla is on track to have sold in the neighborhood of 11 years worth of Model S within only 4-1/2 years for a car with an eight year product cycle. They are not in the slightest bit concerned about internal cannibalization of sales from the car the company was founded to create. There. Made it through this post without insulting you. Yay!This is true, but there will always be features that separate the 3 from the S, just like every other car company on the planet. Plain and simple, you will not be able to configure your 3 like an S, just with $40k slashed off the base price. Anybody who thinks this is delusional.
Musk has said that the S will always be the leader in terms of technology and there has to be some reason to entice people to buy an S over a 3. "It's a bigger car" can't be the only reason, and it won't be.
In the end, it's all an optimization problem: how luxurious can you make the 3 without cutting into S sales? Tesla will do what makes them the most money despite all the ramblings of people that think Tesla is some new age company who doesn't care about money. The S makes Tesla a boatload of money, and they want to continue to sell that.
I presume that the M3 will have lower production costs from scale, size, and range, and those savings will pass to the consumer. I agree that the difference, all else being equal, will be far less than $40k.This is true, but there will always be features that separate the 3 from the S, just like every other car company on the planet. Plain and simple, you will not be able to configure your 3 like an S, just with $40k slashed off the base price. Anybody who thinks this is delusional.
I don't agree with what you say and think you have no concept on how engineering and product development work. I don't think basing what has evolved with the S has any bearing on how the 3 will evolve. I am quite sure the ventilated seats will trickle down into the other S models. I assume they are supply constrained for now and targeting them in the high margin cars. All versions of the X has them available now so why not the S or 3? Give it time.Man, a lot of people seem to think the Model 3 will have all the latest and greatest features as options. Model S just got ventilated seats, and only for the top of the line model. You can't even get it on the lesser configurations of the same car. It also took them 4 years to do it.
And now you're expecting it to be an option on the budget car they're rolling out in a couple years? I think people are going to be sorely disappointed in the gimmicky features available on the 3.
Musk has said that the S will always be the leader in terms of technology and there has to be some reason to entice people to buy an S over a 3. "It's a bigger car" can't be the only reason, and it won't be.
The lack of engine noise when putting in drive, no creep
When driving the regen was a bit to get used to
I do think the self presenting handles are a bit gimmicy
I could imagine my kids though having to constantly get them to present when I am taking my time getting to the car when they are running.
I was impressed by how big the opening is on the sunroof when it is fully opened
Unlike most sales guys he didn't try to do too much to get me into the car.
when you get the 3rd row seat option in a Model S it is a factory installed requirement because they beef up the rear bumper and hatch to protect better against a rear end collision
I am guessing I'll be about number 25-30k in line. Hopefully that gets me something on the Model 3.
The other thing is I have a 3 car garage but they are all single sized doors. We have to fold in the left mirror on the van to get it in.
I think it would be nice though to have a combination of the ventilation and the ability to cool the cabin before you get to the car to help with the Texas sun.
The problem with my mentality is Tesla is more like modern electronics where your car gets out of date pretty fast
lol and you have no concept how business and marketing worksyou have no concept on how engineering and product development work
To be fair, the only reason they've sold so many cars in such a short amount of time is because their cars weren't previously available. They're the new and exciting thing on the block and as such reap the benefits of all that buzz. 50 years down the road when all the hype has sufficiently worn off, they'll be selling cars at the same rate as everybody else.Hmmm... The enticement to purchase a Model S is that it is NOT a Panamera, Quattroporte, LS, A8 L, Q70, RLX, Genesis, 7-Series, S-Class, or any other flagship vehicle from traditional automobile manufacturers. The appearance of the Model ☰ will not prevent the Model S from continuing to kick all of their butts. Tesla is on track to have sold in the neighborhood of 11 years worth of Model S within only 4-1/2 years for a car with an eight year product cycle. They are not in the slightest bit concerned about internal cannibalization of sales from the car the company was founded to create. There. Made it through this post without insulting you. Yay!
Nope, it's just outdated.Also, two spaces after a period is wrong.
Tesla has to tread very lightly for now because they are so new. One wrong step could land them in bankruptcy faster than you can say "TESLA SOLARCITY MERGER"While that may be true, I see it happening much how Audi just pulled off with their lineup.
The A3 got the newest version of the MMI, because it was the new platform.
The following year, the other cars in the lineup got the new MMI during their regular refresh, but also got the new "virtual cockpit" NVidia dash display, which the A3 will be receiving next year, as part of it's mid-cycle refresh.
Why am I so convinced that this is totally plausible? Peter Hochholdinger, Tesla's new VP of Vehicle Production, just came over to Tesla after 20 years at....Audi.
He's probably learned a few things and brought them over with him.
Edit for clarity, and to finish off my thought:
Tesla does things differently, so when Elon says that the Model S and X will be the tech leaders, I think many are misunderstanding its meaning for the 3.
I interpret it as "if you buy a Model 3, S or X on the same day, the S and X will have the latest and greatest".
However, I don't necessarily think that means they will hold back tech from the 3. It will just get new gadgets later. And yes, I fully expect 3 owners will be paying for those gadgets.
Tesla has to tread very lightly for now because they are so new. One wrong step could land them in bankruptcy faster than you can say "TESLA SOLARCITY MERGER"
Audi has the luxury of being able to play around with new tactics because they can afford to experiment. Tesla has to make money first and foremost and can't play around too much with the tried and true methods of making money. Just because "Tesla does things differently" doesn't mean they're doing it the best way. It might prove to be the best way in due time, but nobody knows that and it's too much of a risk for such a young and volatile company. Tesla has to make money at some point, and can't be diddling around with experiments when it's time to put on your big boy pants and turn a profit.
I think a lot of the people on this forum are overly optimistic (and a little bit delusional). That's not a bad thing, but you're only setting yourself up for disappointment when you can't buy a Model S with a $40k discount.
it's true there's a youtube video Elon explains when you order the rear facing seats they'll put extra protection-one need to put that during order configuration and cost more, too.Oh and one other thing that was mentioned is when you get the 3rd row seat option in a Model S it is a factory installed requirement because they beef up the rear bumper and hatch to protect better against a rear end collision. This was from the sales guy but I am not sure if it is truth or not.
I'm just trying to be realistic. Oftentimes that means pessimism, especially on a fan forum like this. The fortunate side to pessimism is that you're never disappointed.If I wanted a Model S at $40K discount, I'd be scouring the pre-owned market for one.
I put my money down for a Model 3, specifically, because that's the vehicle I want.
I'm expecting it to be different than a Model S, and Tesla has even helped me make that distinction, by naming it differently.
I'm looking at this from a perspective owner's standpoint, although I also own some TSLA stock. Luckily for me, your analysis of what they should and shouldn't be doing has no bearing on the stock price.
You seem a little on the down side. I'm sorry it's Monday, but it's Monday for all of us.
Cheer up a little.
I'm just trying to be realistic. Oftentimes that means pessimism, especially on a fan forum like this. The fortunate side to pessimism is that you're never disappointed.