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Wiki Matrix LED Headlights Retrofit Journey
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leecox
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Seems like they may have removed the bumper retention bracket that comes on the bottom of the light. It looks like the bumper is sagging.
posted that in another thread (I'm not a seller)
I came across BimmerPlug, who apparently sell customized lens type LED headlights, compatible with the older and newer version (Pre-facelift, facelift and "post" facelift)
bimmerplug.com
You can see the high and low beam projectors separated. Now they're not Matrix but the advantage is the sexy cutoff line from the projectors
I came across BimmerPlug, who apparently sell customized lens type LED headlights, compatible with the older and newer version (Pre-facelift, facelift and "post" facelift)
LED Lens Headlights - Tesla Model S
Description: Introducing Bimmer Plug's revolutionary LED Lens Headlights for the Tesla Model S—an unparalleled upgrade designed to redefine your driving experience. Crafted with precision and innovation, these headlights are the epitome of style and performance, seamlessly blending form and...
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You can see the high and low beam projectors separated. Now they're not Matrix but the advantage is the sexy cutoff line from the projectors
They told me that plaid HL are very slightly different in size, that's why there is a gap, but I'm not entirely sure.
are you sure those are not just plaid HL ?posted that in another thread (I'm not a seller)
I came across BimmerPlug, who apparently sell customized lens type LED headlights, compatible with the older and newer version (Pre-facelift, facelift and "post" facelift)
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LED Lens Headlights - Tesla Model S
Description: Introducing Bimmer Plug's revolutionary LED Lens Headlights for the Tesla Model S—an unparalleled upgrade designed to redefine your driving experience. Crafted with precision and innovation, these headlights are the epitome of style and performance, seamlessly blending form and...
You can see the high and low beam projectors separated. Now they're not Matrix but the advantage is the sexy cutoff line from the projectors
Tsportline sells those
AlphaRex NOVA-Series 5x LED Projector Headlights
I'm not sure they look as good, but from what i see, cutoff line and light is much better.
Xenoilphobe
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where did you see cutoffs and light rating on the the AlphaRex NOVA Series lights?
I thought they were, but apparently it's custom-built
@Xenoilphobe, Regarding the NOVA's, I believe the cutoff will have to be similar to what can be observed for the Model 3 version:
Timestamp: 8:51
Xenoilphobe
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I wish they had left the original light in on one side to show the difference. I couldn't tell if the beginning of the video was the new light beam or the original, in the last part of the video they showed the new beam cutoff, but never superimposed the original beam pattern to show the improvement... I would get these for my S, but concerned about lumen reduction from stock...
You have a point.
Not directly side-by-side, but a more accurate comparison. The old headlights on this particular Model 3 are similar to ours in term of light spread
Starts at 11:11 where the old non-projectors are compared with the Alpharex ones
Xenoilphobe
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Compared at 7:50.. still hard to see the Lux (illuminating a surface- the wall in this case) or Lumens (omni directional illumination measurement) (I wasn't sure) difference (it's the camera having issues processing the light and they shot severely off angle, which made the OEM lights seem brighter than they are) They never locked the LUX, but it looked like 469-490 (it was bouncing all over the place) LUX @ and unknown distance from the emitter of the headlamp.
Then later they claim at 11:42 that the new headlights are 650 lumens (she meant to say LUX I am sure, but not sure how far the emitter was the wall again. IIHS testing, 5 LUX is the minimum useful measurement at distance. So 650 LUX at ten feet, wonder what it is at 150 Meters, which is where the stock lights stop being useful in high beam mode. Low beams only made it out to 52 meters before LUX dropped below 5 for the 2016 Model S, which has to have the worst headlights of any Tesla ever made.
By comparison a legacy 55 watt halogen bulb used in most cars are 700 lumens on low and 1200 lumens on high beam. I hope they were measuring LUX and not Lumens...
30 watt HID lights are 2600 to 3000 Lumens
10-15 watt LED's push 1100 lumens (notice the aftermarket headlights have 4 LED emitters, so there is hope that these light can push some lumens.)
It takes 4X LUX for the human eye to recognize 50% brighter lighting, Human eyes perceive light on a dB scale, so 30% more LUX/LUMENS is a minimal perceived improvement. Lumen levels and Human Perception
General rule, most people find a 40% increase in output (all else being equal) to be "barely noticeable", a doubling to be relatively "easily noticeable" ... and a 10-fold increase usually seems to be a bit more than "twice-as-bright". (kinda like sound and amplifiers)
It frustrating, I don't give a damn what the headlights look like, I want to know how they perform. 650 LUX or LUMEN (wasn't clear) is ok.. I have lights on my truck that crush these numbers, but they are not DOT approved.
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Xenoilphobe
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Are you serious, lumens on stock pretty dim, I'm not sure if you can get anything dimmer than that
Xenoilphobe
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They are freaking horrible... the light below from a Model T probably works better. I have been communicating directly with manufacturer to get a better understanding of the specs. Only solid I got so far is that they are 5500 Kelvin (color - which is daylight - perfect!!), They are using 5 (in the case of the Model S) LED emitters made by Osram called Oslen Black Flat but it's not clear which boards they used for this application. I already pulled all the spec sheets and read them.. these are super efficient LED's. In the most powerful config they are 2380 lm pulling 16 watts!!! in the worst config, they are 395 lm pulling 3.2 watts from each emitter. So with 5 emitters they could be 1975 lm (if all five are on) or they could be as high as 11,900 lm (if all 5 emitters are activated) if they chose the highest output (very unlikely). Also these can be software controlled to operate in any format they want.... I suspect they went with the 395 lm which would be the cheapest, if all 5 emitters running they only use 16 watts...well below the design threshold for the legacy 2016 Model S headlight load (I'm guessing here). or they could have used a mix for the high and low beam function.Are you serious, lumens on stock pretty dim, I'm not sure if you can get anything dimmer than that
all I care about is LUX and how far..... this still doesn't tell me anything valuable about the quality of the light or the illumination capability. I have all the specs are the legacy Tesla headlights and they SUCKKKKKKK... 27 meters away and they can't even do 5 LUX, the crappy flashlights you buy at Costco can do better than that. I am actually shocked that the car hasn't been recalled for this safety issue.
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Xenoilphobe
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Got more information digging around on AlphaRex... I think I'm going to pull the trigger..
Cons:
2 year warranty, if they burn out, you throw away the whole unit - $1800, (I could probably open them up and solder a new LED in)
Conflicts with Tesla Software updates.... unknown, on the Model 3 AlphaRex they were selling an adapter to resolve this issue (only for non matrix headlight cars, why you would pull Matrix and add these ?
alpharexusa.com
Video at bottom of blog was impressive.
NOVA-Series installed in a Toyota Sienna
Cons:
2 year warranty, if they burn out, you throw away the whole unit - $1800, (I could probably open them up and solder a new LED in)
Conflicts with Tesla Software updates.... unknown, on the Model 3 AlphaRex they were selling an adapter to resolve this issue (only for non matrix headlight cars, why you would pull Matrix and add these ?
NOVA-Series Ice Cube 3D Projector | AlphaRex
AlphaRex NOVA-Series full LED projector headlights are our signature items, and the Ice Cube 3D projectors are the key components of the NOVA-Series. The Ice Cube 3D projectors are actually one of our innovative idea that we designed from scratch. Let's compare the different look between common...
alpharexusa.com
Video at bottom of blog was impressive.
NOVA-Series installed in a Toyota Sienna
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Xenoilphobe
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In the Sienna video they said that they are using these OSRAM OSLON® Black Flat, KW H3L531.TE White LEDs - ams-osram - ams
1110 lm per cube would be impressive, potential maximum output would be 5550 lm, which is at parity with the best 55 watt HID and LED options on the market. BulbFacts | HID Chart (OEM), using only 47 watts at maximum output. I am getting them, when they come out in Feb....
1110 lm per cube would be impressive, potential maximum output would be 5550 lm, which is at parity with the best 55 watt HID and LED options on the market. BulbFacts | HID Chart (OEM), using only 47 watts at maximum output. I am getting them, when they come out in Feb....
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Great news, keep us posted, unfortunately I'm in the UK, no I'm not sure if they can do RHD pattern.Got more information digging around on AlphaRex... I think I'm going to pull the trigger..
Cons:
2 year warranty, if they burn out, you throw away the whole unit - $1800, (I could probably open them up and solder a new LED in)
Conflicts with Tesla Software updates.... unknown, on the Model 3 AlphaRex they were selling an adapter to resolve this issue (only for non matrix headlight cars, why you would pull Matrix and add these ?
NOVA-Series Ice Cube 3D Projector | AlphaRex
AlphaRex NOVA-Series full LED projector headlights are our signature items, and the Ice Cube 3D projectors are the key components of the NOVA-Series. The Ice Cube 3D projectors are actually one of our innovative idea that we designed from scratch. Let's compare the different look between common...
Video at bottom of blog was impressive.
NOVA-Series installed in a Toyota Sienna
Xenoilphobe
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I'm pretty sure a talented tech could "pop the ice cube tray" and move these modules around to the RHD where you need the beam cutoff.
NOVA-Series Ice Cube 3D Projector | AlphaRex
AlphaRex NOVA-Series full LED projector headlights are our signature items, and the Ice Cube 3D projectors are the key components of the NOVA-Series. The Ice Cube 3D projectors are actually one of our innovative idea that we designed from scratch. Let's compare the different look between common...
alpharexusa.com
I'm considering them also and am in the UK. I found a RHD variant here: Model S Alpharex NOVA-Series Projector Headlight
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