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If you think Sanders is vulnerable to a GOP attack Biden will be slaughtered. Sleepy Joe, Crazy Joe, Creepy Joe, Corrupt Joe, who many think are more guilty than Trump regarding goings on in Ukraine, it would be a disaster. Joe gets more riled up and angrier than Trump when challenged, and he's provided too much fodder for attack adds showing his instability and possible mental decline.
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Whoever the Democratic nominee is, they will be attacked over something. I watched the Republican hate machine throw things against the wall with Obama until they finally settled on the fact his father was not American and he was non-white. They tried many other memes first. They throw things against the wall until something sticks.

The Republicans have a base willing to believe that candidate X is a goldfish from Alpha Centauri, but that does nothing to move the needle. They need memes that at least sow some doubt among independents willing to vote Republican or among soft voters who might stay home if convinced both candidates are equally loathsome.

Of all the Democratic candidates Joe Biden has thus far proven to be the most meme resistant.

Every candidate running as a Democrat gets branded as a socialist by the Republicans.

So, basically, by your reckoning, Trump will win. No matter what.

In politics memes only work when they connect with something people already half believe. The attempts to brand Obama as an acolyte of a crazy preacher failed to catch hold because people couldn't believe that Obama really followed anyone slavishly. The secret Muslim, born in Kenya, part of some weird (as yet) unexplained cult to make a Kenyan citizen president caught hold because a segment of the white public were willing to have their embedded racism and anti-Muslim attitudes stoked by the GOP meme machine. Outside of the target audience the memes completely fell flat, but they had their intended effect within the target audience.

There are some candidates that it would be very easy to accuse of being a socialist and make it stick. There are many video clips of Bernie saying he's a socialist. Trying to pin the socialist label on Biden who worked with the financial industry his entire career and has been criticized for being too cozy with that industry would not work. It also wouldn't work on Steyer or Bloomburg, both of whom became self made billionaires from being capitalists.

Might as well lose with a hard shove of the Overton window to the left, including getting more socialists in downticket, than lose with a Republican with a D after their name and allow the Republicans with Rs after their name to keep pushing the Overton window to the right.

Also, did you not pay attention to what happened in 2016? Or 2004, for that matter? Running a Republican with a D after their name is not how you win.

(That said, I... disagree with your assessment. Of the whole thing. There are a lot of disillusioned voters that didn't have anyone credible to vote for in 2016 - the "my healthcare/retirement plan is the revolution/to die in the climate wars" types being among them - and giving them someone to vote for may well get them to actually show up.)

I've posted before my analysis of every presidential election since 1960. Extreme right or left candidates tend to lose in blowouts as happened in 1964, 1968, and 1972. Moderate Democrats served a total of 16 years during that time. What was the biggest factor determining win or lose was boring candidates tended to lose most of the time. Mondale, Dukakis, Gearoge HW Bush, Bob Dole, Al Gore, John Kerry, Mitt Romney, Hillary Clinton, and to some extent John McCain all had one thing in common, they were all more boring candidates than their opponents.

Either the party affiliation or policy positions are important to about 80% of the voting public split about 50/50 between the two parties. A generic Democrat or Republican has a built in floor of about 40% of the vote from the minute they win the nomination. The entire battle is for the last 20% or so who are persuadable. This 20% tend to be mostly low information voters who are voting out of obligation rather than really caring much. They make an effort to avoid political news in between presidential elections. This time around that group is probably down to about 5-10% because Trump invades your life even when you try to block him out. But that group is still there.

Among low information voters, likability of the candidates is a big factor. It shouldn't be, but it is. Kennedy vs Nixon, Kennedy was more likable. Johnson vs Goldwater, Goldwater was so unliked Johnson looked fantastic by comparison. The same goes down the list during the TV era. In 2016 we had an unusual situation that both candidates were very unliked and it was a race to the bottom. Trump won in part because he was more entertaining, even if he was also loathsome.

Especially in a re-election year, policy with the challenger doesn't matter that much. The #1 issue is whether the incumbent should be re-elected and for over 50% of Americans that answer is already "no". Then what will seal the deal is the personality of the challenger. In some cases the challenger never has a real chance like 1984. However in other elections the challenger gets a serious look.

GW Bush and Barack Obama were both vulnerable during their re-elections. In both cases the public had asked the question "should this person be re-elected?" and for a large enough segment the answer was "possibly not". But as people got to know their challenger, they went with the incumbent in part because of mistakes made by the challengers, strong campaigning on the part of the incumbent, but the incumbent in the end was more interesting. Kerry is a boring policy wonk and Romney is an out of touch rich guy.
 
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Either the party affiliation or policy positions are important to about 80% of the voting public split about 50/50 between the two parties. A generic Democrat or Republican has a built in floor of about 40% of the vote from the minute they win the nomination. The entire battle is for the last 20% or so who are persuadable. This 20% tend to be mostly low information voters who are voting out of obligation rather than really caring much. They make an effort to avoid political news in between presidential elections. This time around that group is probably down to about 5-10% because Trump invades your life even when you try to block him out. But that group is still there.
The largest group is neither D, nor R or I.

Its non-voters - who feel completely helpless and believe their vote is useless. They are somewhat right.

A large part of the non-voters are young & POC. Any Dem's fortune depends on how many of these young voters they can turn out. Hillary lost because lot of young POC decided to sit out in MI/WI/PA. If Bernie can make relatively more people turn out, he'll easily win.

Exclusive Polling: Iowa Youth Poised for Historic Caucus Turnout

NEW Suffolk University Iowa youth poll not only shows @BernieSanders leading by a HUGE margin w young voters, it indicates a potentially historical youth turnout at the caucuses, 3X the participation rates of 2016!
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Of all the Democratic candidates Joe Biden has thus far proven to be the most meme resistant.
That hardly seems to be the case. As for Sanders it's no secret that he's a socialist so that "attack" won't have much force. Funny thing, after the Joe Rogan endorsement a number of his fans are saying they want Bernie so they can "show the libs". Trump got support because he was supposed to be the anti establishment candidate. Of course he wasn't at all, but Bernie actually is.
As for likeability, Sanders is the most popular senator.
 
I don't really understand how anyone with any kind of self-respect can support Trump. How can you believe anything he says ?

A few days ago Trump said he didn't know Lev Parnas and now there is a 90 MINUTE TAPE of Trump talking with Parnas over dinner​
Remember when he said he could shoot someone in public and his supporters wouldn't care? He wasn't wrong. Truth and morality mean nothing to his core, it's like a religious fervor, they'll put up with anything.
 
The largest group is neither D, nor R or I.

Its non-voters - who feel completely helpless and believe their vote is useless. They are somewhat right.

A large part of the non-voters are young & POC. Any Dem's fortune depends on how many of these young voters they can turn out. Hillary lost because lot of young POC decided to sit out in MI/WI/PA. If Bernie can make relatively more people turn out, he'll easily win.

Exclusive Polling: Iowa Youth Poised for Historic Caucus Turnout

NEW Suffolk University Iowa youth poll not only shows @BernieSanders leading by a HUGE margin w young voters, it indicates a potentially historical youth turnout at the caucuses, 3X the participation rates of 2016!
EPEHKEFVUAU9t_p.jpg

If nothing else, this post at least demonstrates why you should eschew abbreviations whenever possible. I'm neither stupid nor politically unlearned, but I have zero ability - without goggling it which I should not have to do! - to figure out "POC".
 
I don't really understand how anyone with any kind of self-respect can support Trump. How can you believe anything he says ?

A few days ago Trump said he didn't know Lev Parnas and now there is a 90 MINUTE TAPE of Trump talking with Parnas over dinner​
And yet that free-for-all within TMC under the aegis of "Community Discussion" (something like that) demonstrates a surprising number of apparent Tesla owners and company supporters who at best are complacent about #45; a fair number are extremely supportive of him. I try and try to come to grips with this; try to empathize with them to understand their support....but I continually have failed. "But Hillary" is not a reason.
 
Probably written by a shadow writer, not Bolton himself. If this constitutes "evidence", the Dems are even more desperate than ever

The guy has written several books including at least two books on legislative policy in the 1970s. He has also written a number of books for the general public in the last 20 years. Why would he suddenly hire a ghost writer to write what will likely become his best known book.

And what exactly would it take to convince you that Trump is guilty of committing severe crimes in office? Despite epic levels of obstruction from Trump, the mountain of evidence against him is massive. And more comes out every day.
 
The guy has written several books including at least two books on legislative policy in the 1970s. He has also written a number of books for the general public in the last 20 years. Why would he suddenly hire a ghost writer to write what will likely become his best known book.

And what exactly would it take to convince you that Trump is guilty of committing severe crimes in office? Despite epic levels of obstruction from Trump, the mountain of evidence against him is massive. And more comes out every day.

Probably the same that it would take to convince you that Obama had similar offenses, and was treated differently (more respectfully) than the Dems are treating Trump. Obama was just sneakier about it. Trump is blunt.

You admit that, I'll acquiesce to what you propose.
 
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But that is not what you are proposing.
Rather, you are suggesting that Bolton hired another to write a book - one specifically about his time in the Administration - and then effectively said “Oh, I’m sure whatever you put in there is just fine. No need for me to preview it”.

Anyone who knows even the first thing about John Bolton would laugh at the preposterousness. It could not happen.
 
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But that is not what you are proposing.
Rather, you are suggesting that Bolton hired another to write a book - one specifically about his time in the Administration - and then effectively said “Oh, I’m sure whatever you put in there is just fine. No need for me to preview it”.

Anyone who knows even the first thing about John Bolton would laugh at the preposterousness. It could not happen.

I'm not saying it could not happen, but having known more than one person in the DC circle directly or indirectly, even the high-profile people like Bolton rarely write their own books. They sit down with a ghost writer that takes notes, and that person writes a first draft. Then multiple revisions ensue.

I would not put it above the Dems as this being a perfectly well-timed, completely false "leak" with the goal of trying to force the hand of moderate Republican Senators to get them to reconsider their votes on the introduction of new "evidence" in the Senate Trial. It's classic DC politics.

Remember Russiagate? 30+ million dollar investigation and the Dems had "incontrovertible proof" that Trump colluded with Russia (which they didn't have - Schiff flat out lied, repeatedly, on that) . . . The odds are high that 1) this is just made up (not uncommon for the NYT with regards to their coverage of Trump - it's completely speculative with zero proof put out there, and was released at EXACTLY the right time to try to shake up the trial in the Senate), or 2) that the ghost writer is a Democrat that is out to hurt Trump - a la the CIA "whistleblower" which we pretty much know is a registered Dem with VERY close ties to Joe Biden. Or (less likely) is 3) that this is actually true. If Bolton would have wanted to hurt Trump, he would not have fought the subpoena from the House so hard, and he did and wound up not testifying.

But hey, a "leak" like this is GREAT for book sales for Bolton (whistles).

Someone yells "Squirrel" and the Dems all start slobbering and running like crazy in one direction.
 
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I don't really understand how anyone with any kind of self-respect can support Trump. How can you believe anything he says ?

A few days ago Trump said he didn't know Lev Parnas and now there is a 90 MINUTE TAPE of Trump talking with Parnas over dinner​
When you believe with all your heart that you've been lied to and cheated all your life, putting your faith in a liar and a cheat seems like "fighting fire with fire", and can seem pretty normal.
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Probably written by a shadow writer, not Bolton himself. If this constitutes "evidence", the Dems are even more desperate than ever

"Mr. Bolton’s explosive account of the matter at the center of Mr. Trump’s impeachment trial, the third in American history, was included in drafts of a manuscript he has circulated in recent weeks to close associates. He also sent a draft to the White House for a standard review process for some current and former administration officials who write books."
He's written books before, that you'd probably love, though I guess you'd claim he didn't write them
https://www.amazon.com/Barack-Obama...?keywords=9781594034916&qid=1580159099&sr=8-1
https://www.amazon.com/Surrender-No...1_1?keywords=1416552847&qid=1580159090&sr=8-1
 
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