Starting this thread now so that when FSD v12.4 information inevitably comes out (soon?), it gets posted here instead of getting lost in the 12.x thread.
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I don't think either of those things are likely.Okay, so if they eliminate the steering wheel nag, then that literally frees up the steering wheel for in-lane steering adjustments (e.g. pothole avoidance) without disabling FSD.
In fact, I wonder if that was the inspiration for eliminating it.
And, of course, elimination of the torque lock means that taking over from FSD will be smooth and natural. I know that a number of folks are looking forward to that.
So you expect the torque lock to remain, but just no torque nags? Yeah, I can see that as a natural progression of disappointments from Tesla.I don't think either of those things are likely.
The torque lock will have to remain for the car to drive on most Teslas, yes.So you expect the torque lock to remain, but just no torque nags? Yeah, I can see that as a natural progression of disappointments from Tesla.
Okay. I'll bite. Why? Other systems operate without a torque lock, so are you suggesting that it is hardware restriction?The torque lock will have to remain for the car to drive on most Teslas, yes.
What other systems that can make turns? Blue Cruise and SuperCruise turn the wheel when it's making a turn, if you resist it won't still make the turn. I'm confused on what you are saying.Okay. I'll bite. Why? Other systems operate without a torque lock, so are you suggesting that it is hardware restriction?
The goal is to be able to move the wheel to bias within the lane. I recall that there are systems that allow that. The torque lock prevents Tesla drivers from inputting any steering motion at all; the wheel is locked to FSD. If the torque lock is disabled while the system is active, then it would be possible for a driver to provide steering input while FSD remains active. FSD would only disengage if too much steering input was provided.What other systems that can make turns? Blue Cruise and SuperCruise turn the wheel when it's making a turn, if you resist it won't still make the turn. I'm confused on what you are saying.
The wheel is still locked and controlled by the car in any system that can make turns that doesn't have steer by wire.The goal is to be able to move the wheel to bias within the lane. I recall that there are systems that allow that. The torque lock prevents Tesla drivers from inputting any steering motion at all; the wheel is locked to FSD. If the torque lock is disabled while the system is active, then it would be possible for a driver to provide steering input while FSD remains active. FSD would only disengage if too much steering input was provided.
I'm guessing that systems that do this must detect the steering pressure by the driver, then apply that steering for the driver. So the assist is still doing the driving, but it's using cues provided by the driver to adjust its behavior. A bit like the driver putting on a turn signal to change lanes; it's collaborative.
Yup. And if the car detects torque on the steering wheel, it can respond to that torque as if it was the system's idea in the first place. Apply too much torque or for too long (e.g. leaving the lane) and the system disables. Lucid has a lane bias system that works like this. I'm thinking of something more technically advanced/complex, and it can probably be done just by responding to pressure against the torque lock. That is, if we no longer apply torque to let the system know we're "paying attention", then the torque sensor can be used as another pair of buttons in the car. Press it one way and the car drifts within its lane to one side. Press it the other way and the car drifts within its lane to the other side.The wheel is still locked and controlled by the car in any system that can make turns that doesn't have steer by wire.
You're calling it a wheel lock. I'm saying that the system can spot torque on the steering wheel and react to it. It may be that the torque lock is the only sensor available, and it really does work like a pair of buttons, left and right. If so, then the above would be the solution I'm after.You are asking for a wheel lock that allows some movement to correct lane position.
I can't imagine that taking away driver (or passenger) preferences should ever become a thing (apart from the obvious of obnoxious or illegal prferences). If I hop into a robotaxi and I want a leisurely trip through town, the taxi should respect that, and not race to get me to the destination. It should be respected along with all my other preferences. Imagine getting into a robotaxi and your profile gets loaded so the car is configured for how you like to get around. Seat position, temperature, music preferences, and so on, but also fastest route, quietest route, shortest route, most scenic route, avoid my ex-wife's neighborhood, etc.I would guess Tesla would not allow this as they have been progressively removing driver preferences from FSD as the software gets better
FSD has removed follow distance options, stop sign options (due to the NTHSA), and looks to be removing set speed options with Auto Max.I can't imagine that taking away driver (or passenger) preferences should ever become a thing (apart from the obvious of obnoxious or illegal prferences). If I hop into a robotaxi and I want a leisurely trip through town, the taxi should respect that, and not race to get me to the destination. It should be respected along with all my other preferences. Imagine getting into a robotaxi and your profile gets loaded so the car is configured for how you like to get around. Seat position, temperature, music preferences, and so on, but also fastest route, quietest route, shortest route, most scenic route, avoid my ex-wife's neighborhood, etc.
I've been hoping that this is a result of going to neural networks, and that it's such a new medium for them that they haven't gotten around to implementing people's preferences. The preferences are needed because their attempts at making driving decisions for the driver are pretty awful. Lane selection, speed selection, acceleration profiles; all rubbish.FSD has removed follow distance options, stop sign options (due to the NTHSA), and looks to be removing set speed options with Auto Max.
When the car is driving even more responsibly than I would drive, then I won't worry. Until then, I'll want my preferences so that the car behaves in a way that I find responsible. If I got into a taxi service that routinely drove like idiots around town (or even in an uncomfortable way), I'd stop using that taxi service. With my own car, I expect it to provide the taxi service of my choice. My preference.Elon has talked about this in the past, if the car is driving for you, you shouldn't worry if it's following your preferences.
Near 0% chance a RT would allow you to change follow distance, speed, or lane position.I've been hoping that this is a result of going to neural networks, and that it's such a new medium for them that they haven't gotten around to implementing people's preferences. The preferences are needed because their attempts at making driving decisions for the driver are pretty awful. Lane selection, speed selection, acceleration profiles; all rubbish.
When the car is driving even more responsibly than I would drive, then I won't worry. Until then, I'll want my preferences so that the car behaves in a way that I find responsible. If I got into a taxi service that routinely drove like idiots around town (or even in an uncomfortable way), I'd stop using that taxi service. With my own car, I expect it to provide the taxi service of my choice. My preference.
OMG could Tesla please add this! I hate being centered in the lane while driving in the left-most or right-most lane. Need as much room between me and the idiots on their phones weaving between the lane lines.Lucid has a lane bias system
It's already doing this. No?OMG could Tesla please add this! I hate being centered in the lane while driving in the left-most or right-most lane.
Sorry, dachshund, I didn't see this question.What is torque lock, please?