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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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I can also see this as a reason for the eventuality of paying a premium for car connectivity as there is a continuous cost to keeping these cars connected. Hence Why I see Tesla moving into the cellular service area and squeeze a bit more from all those satellites.

Also with people having issues lately which appear to be Tesla side, this is also not beneficial for octopus (cars not connecting)
 
Their Discovery Tier plan ($0/week at present) should be sufficient for Octopus IOG to continue working.
yes but :
"This subscription plan is a temporary plan that will be replaced with different options in 2024."

I'm betting there won't be a free tier soon enough...

I can't believe Octopus will be willing to pay anything to keep IO working, just like they've done with Ford... Or maybe they'll try to pass on the cost to end-users.
 
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I reconfigured IO last night to pair with the Zappi rather than the car. In the IO app I set it to add 60%, the car was on 33% SOC before charging and the Zappi was set to Eco+. Woke up this morning to find the car fully charged to 100%. Any ideas why didn’t stop at 93%?
 
I reconfigured IO last night to pair with the Zappi rather than the car. In the IO app I set it to add 60%, the car was on 33% SOC before charging and the Zappi was set to Eco+. Woke up this morning to find the car fully charged to 100%. Any ideas why didn’t stop at 93%?
Im not sure it works the way you think. However if you set the limit on the car like you should, it won't go past that.



  • I didn't get as much charge as I expected
    • When you go through onboarding the choice of vehicle you make is important, for example if you pick a Tesla Model 3 Standard Range it has a 54kWh battery. From the Octopus app if you specify a 40% charge then 54 * 0.40 means it will attempt to deliver 21.6kWh. If you picked the wrong vehicle or you connect a different vehicle then the zappi will not know this and neither will Octopus, Octopus will still attempt to deliver around 21.6kWh within a margin of error.
    • Vehicles have losses converting household AC power to DC for storage in the battery, the losses associated with this vary from vehicle to vehicle. As such you should not expect an exact 40% of energy to be delivered, it could vary a little. If you specifically need a lot of charge for a journey it may be best to overestimate to account for losses.
    • We have found in some cases especially with PHEV's that requesting a 0-100% charge comes up short, if this frequently happens by a large amount then we advise you contact Octopus support to investigate and make sure they have the correct battery size for you vehicle registered.
 
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Where does it say the limit should also be set in the vehicle setting? I’m not aware that is a requirement. I understand this is a workaround but shouldn’t have to do this if IO is working as designed.

I have a model Y RWD and the only car on the list in the IO set up that was relevant was something like “Tesla Model Y 2023”.

I didn’t initially realise this is how it worked with the Zappi integration but asking IO to add 60% should be 36kWh (60% of the 60kWh battery) however according to the myenergi app, 43kWh was added.

So my only conclusion is that Octopus believes my car has a larger battery than it actually does.
 
Thats about right but you're better off having specified a bigger battery other than a smaller one.

Your car being LFP battery, should be set to 100% in the car.

Just set octopus to 100% and whatever your departure is usually and forget about it :)
There was no option to specify the battery size when integrating IO with the Zappi, only choose the car from the list.

It is set to 100% in the car but I don’t always want to charge it to 100%.

Setting IO to always add 100% with the Zappi integration is not really how it is intended to be used. I’ve posted on the myenergi forum now so will see what they suggest.
 
It's just much easier to set the limit in the car. Dont make your life hard. I regularly plug in 5 different cars with 4 different batteries and five different settings. Octopus does not specify that you should not set a limit on the car :)
I get that but it’s an extra step in the process that I shouldn’t need to think about. All very first world problems, I know!

I’m pretty sure the list of cars in the Octopus app doesn’t account for the smaller RWD battery.
 
You would forever need to be adjusting the percentage on the octopus app anyway since the Zappi is clearly not reading how much you battery has when you plugged in.
 

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