EV Energy plans - NSW

[Midnight Man]

Picking a power plan is a very subjective thing, and many different use-cases exist.

For what it's worth, we are in Ausgrid area, and with Red Energy. We have 24kW panels and 20kW inverters split across three phase power, and backed up with 22kW batteries.

Red offer us $0.07 FiT at all times of day with no limit. All prices listed here are ex GST:

- Service charge is $0.85 per day
- Peak from 2pm to 8pm is $0.48/kWh
- Shoulder from 7am to 2pm and 8pm to 10pm is $0.2995/kWh
- Off peak from 10pm to 7am is $0.1723/kWh

Two other big "plusses" for me - (1) They use renewable energy, and (2) are Australian owned.

 

[Max Spaghetti]

All prices listed here are ex GST:

It's not legal to advertise prices ex GST.

Just sayin'

 

[Midnight Man]

It's not legal to advertise prices ex GST.

Just sayin'

My sincerest apologies.

Red offer us $0.07 FiT at all times of day with no limit. All prices listed here are inc GST:

- Service charge is $0.935 per day
- Peak from 2pm to 8pm is $0.528/kWh
- Shoulder from 7am to 2pm and 8pm to 10pm is $0.32945/kWh
- Off peak from 10pm to 7am is $0.18953/kWh

 

[Quickst]

Peak from 2pm to 8pm is $0.528/kWh

Is PEAK 7 days a week and 365 days per year?

 

[Vostok]

Picking a power plan is a very subjective thing, and many different use-cases exist.

It’s completely objective, if you have historical time-based consumption and solar generation data, which most people with solar have.

With Tesla PW2, the data granularity is 5 minutes. 1 year’s worth of data is 105,120 rows. Plug in a rate plan, and my spreadsheet will tell me exactly how much each one would cost over 12 months. Choose the smallest one within desired constraints (e.g. 100% green power). Done.

 

[cafz]

With Tesla PW2, the data granularity is 5 minutes. 1 year’s worth of data is 105,120 rows. Plug in a rate plan, and my spreadsheet will tell me exactly how much each one would cost over 12 months. Choose the smallest one within desired constraints (e.g. 100% green power). Done.

Unless the new plan has different time-of-use windows or demand charges than the current plan. Then you have to estimate how much usage you'll be able to shift around to suit the new times as well.

(I agree it still should be possible to make an objectively best choice though).

 

[dronus]

My sincerest apologies.

Red offer us $0.07 FiT at all times of day with no limit. All prices listed here are inc GST:

- Service charge is $0.935 per day
- Peak from 2pm to 8pm is $0.528/kWh
- Shoulder from 7am to 2pm and 8pm to 10pm is $0.32945/kWh
- Off peak from 10pm to 7am is $0.18953/kWh

Could be worse, could be in SA.... this is the best i can find....


- Service Charge is 97.856c per day
- Peak from 6am - 10am 48c/kwh
- Shoulder 10am - 3pm 28c/kwh
- Back to peak 3pm - 1am 48c/kwh
- Off Peak 1am - 6am. 32c/kwh

So basically any time you are home is is Peak, except for a 5 hour window between 1am-6am.

Unless you are sitting around at home during the day....

 

[Midnight Man]

Is PEAK 7 days a week and 365 days per year?

Sorry, no. Monday to Friday only. Weekends take Peak time, and apply shoulder rates.

Thanks for raising this, and the chance to clarify!

 

[amesoeurs]

Not in NSW but there doesn't appear to be an active thread for Qld. My question is simply, for the OVO EV plan, does the 8c/kwh overnight rate apply to all electricity usage, or does it use some kind of smart tech to only apply that rate to EV charging? We run aircon overnight most nights so the plan would only work for us if that was included on the cheap rate.

 

[B3AU]

Not in NSW but there doesn't appear to be an active thread for Qld. My question is simply, for the OVO EV plan, does the 8c/kwh overnight rate apply to all electricity usage, or does it use some kind of smart tech to only apply that rate to EV charging? We run aircon overnight most nights so the plan would only work for us if that was included on the cheap rate.

It's all electricity - air conditioning, dishwasher, dryer, washing machine, house battery.... and yes, car charging.

 

[Quickst]

My question is simply, for the OVO EV plan, does the 8c/kwh overnight rate apply to all electricity usage

OVO does not know where the electrons are going

 

[sammody]

OVO does not know where the electrons are going

for now..

but as stated above run everything due that peak period. have been on this plan since June last year and its been great.

 

[Max Spaghetti]

"It's midnight! Out of bed! Time to put the lamb roast on and do the laundry!"

 

[Quickst]

Out of bed! Time to put

A lot of appliances have a delayed start timer.

 

[Davemcd]

OVO does not know nor AGL etc
Origin have a new plan 8 cents anytime and they want access to your Tesla account so they can count KW. You can charge anytime

https://www.originenergy.com.au/origin-loop/electric-vehicle-charging/ev-power-up/

Which you wonder if others will follow. Although not sure people want to give access to their Tesla data.
Their plan is 2 cents cheaper per KW although I loose the 11am-2pm and also the 8 cents midnight to 6am.
Although can charge anytime you want.
My last bill was 602kw import 207kw in 11am-2pm free zone, 117kw midnight-6am and only 279kw in peak so $90
On Origin it be 26cents $104 plus around 200kw charging $16.. so $30 more

One thing you are between 11am-2pm eating all your own Solar export first.
So on a Sunny day you might only be importing 3kw eating 5kw

 

[dronus]

OVO does not know nor AGL etc
Origin have a new plan 8 cents anytime and they want access to your Tesla account so they can count KW. You can charge anytime

https://www.originenergy.com.au/origin-loop/electric-vehicle-charging/ev-power-up/

Which you wonder if others will follow. Although not sure people want to give access to their Tesla data.
Their plan is 2 cents cheaper per KW although I loose the 11am-2pm and also the 8 cents midnight to 6am.
Although can charge anytime you want.
My last bill was 602kw import 207kw in 11am-2pm free zone, 117kw midnight-6am and only 279kw in peak so $90
On Origin it be 26cents $104 plus around 200kw charging $16.. so $30 more

One thing you are between 11am-2pm eating all your own Solar export first.
So on a Sunny day you might only be importing 3kw eating 5kw

This is the first step towards what i mentioned a while ago sbout (on a slightly different topic) in regards to user pays tax on evs.

Mark my words the government is watching this, (undef the guise that you willingly do it now to “save money” if they mandate you give them (or the demand from tesla) access to your account to monitor taxable kms say goodbye to your personal freedoms and hello to being monitored using your own car.

I hope Elon can stop this, or if it does happen the backlash gets anyone involved fired and sued.

 

[Vostok]

Mark my words the government is watching this, (undef the guise that you willingly do it now to “save money” if they mandate you give them (or the demand from tesla) access to your account to monitor taxable kms say goodbye to your personal freedoms and hello to being monitored using your own car.

No need in NSW for the Government to monitor anything. We have annual vehicle registration inspections here, and as part of that, your odometer reading is reported to NSW Roads and Maritime. It is trivial to implement a road usage charge here, without compromising anyone’s “freedoms”.

 

[dronus]

No need in NSW for the Government to monitor anything. We have annual vehicle registration inspections here, and as part of that, your odometer reading is reported to NSW Roads and Maritime. It is trivial to implement a road usage charge here, without compromising anyone’s “freedoms”.

But if they go from reporting a number during your annual inspections to gaining access to your data electronically via the tesla account so that it is a uniform approach would that not impinge on your freedoms? What other data will they require? We have seen government officials trying to push online laws who cant explain what “metadata” is.

 

[B3AU]

No need in NSW for the Government to monitor anything. We have annual vehicle registration inspections here, and as part of that, your odometer reading is reported to NSW Roads and Maritime. It is trivial to implement a road usage charge here, without compromising anyone’s “freedoms”.

The annual inspections are only required for vehicles over 5 years old

eSafety checks (pink slips) and vehicle inspections

Vehicles need regular safety inspections to remain on the road. Find out what type of inspection your vehicle needs and how to get one.

www.nsw.gov.au

(but yes, they could make it mandatory sooner than 5 years if they wanted)

 

[dronus]

I kinda went OT to this thread there, sorry mods, can continue that discussion over in the other thread.