For real, as soon as a Tesla becomes sentient and launches a nuke, then Tesla is really gonna be screwed and have to do retrofits.
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Discussion: HW.4 Suite - Availability, retrofit, suitability etc.
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lol. I’ll fully own that I’m high on hopium here, but I’ve only mentioned paying for a retrofit. I have a ‘23 car that I most definitely will not sell anytime soon for HW4. But if Tesla can make a retrofit worthwhile for themselves financially, I’m sure it would make a ton of folks like myself very happy. Nothing wrong with dreaming (and dropping hints to anyone reading who may have some influence at Tesla).
stopcrazypp
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They already have plenty of bad press and bad incidents. Stock price still goes up as long as they can sell vehicles. As for being unsafe, there have long been L2 systems that would happily run the car into oncoming traffic (the early Mercedes systems), but nobody blinks an eye. Phantom braking by comparison is much safer. Plus given there are no extra cameras or radar, HW4 won't necessarily mean any difference with HW3 in that regard by relying on hardware. Reducing those still fall squarely on the software.
CleanDemon
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HW5 will be out before you know it. Enjoy your car and don’t worry about which kit you have.
the fact that Tesla reduced the prices itself means they have acknowledged the fact that the current parking sensor system they have in place is sub optimal. I am sure they would be aiming to fix this issue be it HW3 or HW4.
I my view the fact that vision is not accurate could be nothing to do with HW systems on board . Software tweaking is needed.
I my view the fact that vision is not accurate could be nothing to do with HW systems on board . Software tweaking is needed.
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I doubt the price drop has anything to do with the parking sensor situation.
We still get the ultrasonics in Australia and we got a massive $3800 price drop on Model 3 and Model Y on the 1st of July.
The main problem with HW3 is that you're buying a new car with an End-of-Life hardware slot. I guess HW5 will retrofit in HW4 cars, so at least with HW4 the mind is at peace for the future.
stopcrazypp
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Here's a couple articles that says the MB system loves to run into oncoming traffic:
The War For Autonomous Driving: 2017 Mercedes-Benz E-Class VS. 2017 Tesla Model S
Mercedes's New E-Class Kinda Drives Itself—And It’s Kinda Confusing
Old comments from when I originally referenced.
Fatal Flaw in AP2 Design
Link to Autofil is dead, but archive still has it:
Hands off
You can clearly see the Mercedes system struggling to keep the car in lane, many times veering straight into the oncoming lane. Tesla's system (old original Autopilot) handles the curve easily.
Mercedes's system likely has since improved, but the point is no one really cared when it was blatantly more dangerous. People only care when it's Tesla.
MB system and Tesla system are very very different (I ack I haven’t used MB’s system). Tesla touts miles driven by its AP/FSD systems and company’s valuation and repute is directly tied to how well it performs in terms of safety - the prime concern for such systems.
MB built a reputation over many years for top notch cars. Not many people buy or know MB for AP systems. But Tesla is a different story. I’m not saying one is better than other which is a wider discussion and individual scenario - just saying Tesla has a big issue (whether they use HW3 or 4 or 2 - and no radar) with unsafe AP system where folks make YT videos of napping while on highway. And if this safety is harmed by removal of radar or other HW - that seems bad business decision from the outside. May be there is more to the HW “upgrade” <> Vision system that is not as obvious.
stopcrazypp
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Napping is addressed by steering wheel nags and cabin camera, which has nothing to do with HW4. Nothing you have posted so far justifies retrofitting HW4.
Again this is such a wishy-washy statement, further disproven by the fact the Model Y HW4 don't even have a radar connector (something even the HW3 board still have) nor the connectors for the extra cameras. This is besides that it makes zero sense to spend over a thousand bucks to retrofit old cars, when that money is far better spent improving new ones to generate more sales.
Sorry which radar are you talking about?
Radar has been removed post 2022 and replaced with vision right?
stopcrazypp
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HW4 Model S/X has the new HD radar that was leaked a while back:
Tesla teardown confirms the presence of the new radar in HW4-equipped vehicles - Tesla Oracle
Tesla equips its new vehicles with Hardware 4 (HW4) with the radar once again. Check out the new radar's closeup pictures and FCC information.
www.google.com
As per previous link, HW4 Model Y does not have radar, although as a correction, reading it more carefully, it says only that radar was missing, not the connector (the extra cameras connectors were what was missing on the board).
Tesla Model Y Hardware 4 Teardown Reveals Cheaper Ram, Missing GPU and Camera Connectors
Get an expert's insights on the new Tesla Model Y HW4, as we dissect the intricate details shared by renowned 'Tesla Hacker,' Green. From physical characteristi
www.notateslaapp.com
stopcrazypp
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He says inaccurate information like that the missing GPU is not for infotainment, when it is. It seems he is just rehashing articles on the green tweets, but not doing a very good job of it.
As for depopulating the radar connector, the articles don't actually say that if you read it carefully. They mix it in with the mention of cameras which are explicitly mentioned as depopulated, but don't on the radar. I tried to do some research but it's very hard to find which one is the radar connector for the HW4.
Anyone have a Twitter account that can give the direct link to green's comments on radar? Twitter now doesn't allow looking at threads anymore. I would much rather read green's direct comments than articles that are like a telephone game and the authors embellish their own take.
Edit, found it, no mention of radar in the main board thread:
green (@greentheonly)
HW4 Model Y are nothing new, but I have not seen any inside picture yet. So here comes. Thank you for your sacrifice, anonymous donor. The computer formfactor is similar to s/x cars (so no retrofit to hw3 cars)
nitter.it
Here's his comments on radar after a question:
"Does it have connector for new radar? But no radar installed in car, right?"
"there's no special radar connector.
The radars don't seem to be installed to model Ys, another premium feature reserved for s/x cars for now it looks like"
"Ok, thanks! Is there a special connector for radar on HW4 for s/x? Also, is the RAM now up to 16GB (for Steam I would presume)"
"radar did not have a special connector. the broadrreach lines are in the existing one."
green (@greentheonly)
there's no special radar connector. The radars don't seem to be installed to model Ys, another premium feature reserved for s/x cars for now it looks like
nitter.it
So all the articles misunderstood him on radar! Even the Model S/X HW4 board did not have a special radar connector, they just used a broadrreach connector, which is presumably in the Y also, as green mentioned those Ethernet connectors earlier. So that allows for radar retrofit in the future.
The only confirmed depopulated connectors are the camera ones.
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as many have said before, myself included, this guy's video is just garbage.
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