I found a great presentation on the Mennekes EV connector standard for Europe here.
Yeah, I had that linked from my EV charging page for a while now...
And previously mentioned in this topic.
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I found a great presentation on the Mennekes EV connector standard for Europe here.
European IEC 60309 connectors
230V (Blue) Single Phase
400V (Red) 3 Phase
I found a great presentation on the Mennekes EV connector standard for Europe
(1888PressRelease) July 17, 2009 - RWE is presenting the “filling station of the future” in Berlin. But it is electricity that is doing the filling, not petrol or diesel. “We want electric mobility to become an integral part of our society”, said Dr. Rolf Martin Schmitz, Board member of RWE AG, at the launch in the Sony Center on Potsdamer Platz, Berlin. The project partners are automobile club ADAC, car hire firm Sixt, Siemens and APCOA, Germany’s largest car park provider. Together, they are sending the electric filling station on a road-show tour to seven German cities.
Environmentally friendly and cost-efficient mobility
“It’s not just a question of replacing petrol by electricity. It’s about bringing renewables onto our streets”, said Rolf Martin Schmitz when describing the vision of electric mobility. New wind farms and new solar energy facilities improve the climate footprint of the electric car as they feed clean energy into the grid. With the current energy mix in Germany, electric cars are already more environmentally friendly than any petrol-driven vehicle.
“Electric mobility will become a part of our energy supply network and will increase the share of environmentally friendly power generation. Since the batteries of the electric cars can be charged for variable periods of time, the share of renewables in the grid, which fluctuate depending on time of day or year, can be utilised more efficiently”, explained Wolfgang Dehen, CEO of the project partner Siemens Energy. However, the future is not just clean, it is also cost-efficient: depending on the petrol price, it costs only half as much to fully harge an electric car as it does to fill up a petrol tank. The ADAC automobile association is also participating in the project. “The ADAC considers it essential to provide its members and the general public with comprehensive and competent information about all fuel alternatives. Electric cars play an important role here as they are a promising technology for the future,” said Stefan Mueller, ADAC’s Board Chairman.
Full infrastructure coverage
The experts at RWE estimate that there will be up to 2.5 million electric cars on Germany’s roads by the year 2020. And of course, they will need to recharge with electricity. In Berlin, RWE has already set up 56 charging points for electric cars, by mid 2010 this number will have increased to some 500. “Berlin is and will remain a city in which new and future-looking ideas will have room to develop. I am sure that very soon, the charging points, which still look slightly unusual because they are so new, will become a trademark of Berlin as a clean metropolis,” said Maria Krautzberger, State Secretary for Traffic and Urban Development.
It takes several hours to charge an electric car. This is why RWE is setting up the charging points in places where cars are parked anyway. For example, in the car parks of partner APCOA. “We believe in the future of the electric car. For us, the partnership with RWE is a project that is sending out a clear signal,” said Thomas Veith, Managing Director of APCOA Autoparking GmbH, at the launch of the road show.
Charging points will be set up in Dortmund, Dusseldorf, Essen, Frankfurt/Main, Hamburg, Stuttgart and Munich before the end of this year. But the big cities are just the start. The longterm aim is to have a network of charging points to cover the whole of Europe. For this reason 20 companies are supporting the development of a standardised charging plug that drivers can use to recharge their electric cars anywhere.
Driving enjoyment with a sporty touch
Germany’s leading mobility service provider, Sixt is also supporting the road show. “Sixt is the innovation leader in car rentals. That is why we promote alternative, low-consumption fuel types,” said Erich Sixt, Board Chairman of Sixt AG. “It is in the stop-and-go traffic in cities, where a lot of fuel is used, that electric cars can gain a good lead on conventional fuels.” Sixt, RWE and Siemens are providing an eRUF, an eRUF Greenster and a Tesla Roadster for people to do organised test drives. Visitors to the road show can see how enjoyable electric cars can be by trying them out themselves. You can see these and other cars at the “filling station of the future” in the Sony Center on Potsdamer Platz in Berlin until 19 July. After that they will be going on their road-show tour around Germany.
Road show stations:
* Berlin (Sony Center on Potsdamer Platz), 15 to 19 July 2009
* Dortmund/Essen (location see RWE Mobility), 30 July to 8 August 2009
* Dusseldorf (location see RWE Mobility), 14 to 19 August 2009
* Hamburg (location see RWE Mobility), 27 August to 2 September 2009
* Frankfurt am Main (Agora site at the IAA in Frankfurt), 10 to 27 September 2009
* Munich (location see RWE Mobility), 8 to 14 October 2009
* Mainz (location see RWE Mobility), 22 to 28 October 2009
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(1888PressRelease) June 14, 2009 - Initially, RWE charging points will be set up at 20 APCOA parking facilities in central locations in Berlin, e.g. at Alexanderplatz or at the Brandenburg Gate. The next step will then be to expand the RWE charging point infrastructure to car parks in other large cities such as Hamburg, Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Stuttgart and Munich.
Thomas Veith, Managing Director of APCOA Autoparking GmbH said, “electric vehicles will play an important role in mobility in the future. APCOA is purposefully investing in the filling station of the future and is offering its customers pioneering services.”
With this strategic partnership, RWE AG has taken one step further towards its objective of developing a full nationwide network of filling stations for electric vehicles. “We are delighted to have Europe’s market leader in car park operations as a partner in setting up the necessary infrastructure for our charging points. Together, we want to demonstrate to consumers that it will soon be a very simple thing for the general public to recharge their vehicles,” said Carolin Reichert, responsible for electric mobility at RWE.
The charging points are being set up in Berlin by RWE and Daimler’s joint pilot project for e-mobility. RWE AG is installing 500 charging points and is using 100 electric Smart cars to test how the public charging infrastructure works, as well as examining the driving behaviour of the users. Until 2012, the largest such project in the world will be finding out how e-mobility can be brought onto the street.
Information on APCOA
APCOA is the largest European car park operator and offers facility owners a full service package for parking. This includes operating parking facilities based on leasing or management agreements. The APCOA Group currently manages some 1.2 million individual parking spaces at more than 5,400 locations in 18 European countries.
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I found a great presentation on the Mennekes EV connector standard for Europe here.
Only slight gripe with the recommendation of a screw cover on vehicle charging ports. Would prefer a lockable flip-lid.
The 7.2kVA model measures 108x128x165mm and weighs 1.5kg. The 13kVA model is 220x150x147, 3.2kg. The 23kVA model is 220x260x190, 5.9kg. Losses range from 180-500W.
Am I totally barking up the wrong tree, or does this show that there is no fundamental reason why a lightweight, portable converter can't be built?
Well, incorporating three-phase charging into the vehicle would be the best option for EU cars - but if we are going to get into that game then using the regen circuit would be more economic...
I am such a 'tard. Of course, the 3P to DC circuitry is already on-board.
But there is a question if the regen circuit really could sustain continuous current for a whole charge cycle like that.
Would 3 phase line current be comparable to AC current coming from a 'regenning' drive motor?
TEG said:Also how do you switch the connections from the motor over to the 3 phase charging circuit?
The Mennekes charging standard is a bit puzzling.
"The plug works both for single phase 230-Volt connections, the vast majority of European outlets, as well as three-phasing up to 63 amps and 400 Volts, which results in a much shorter recharging time."
Joseph said:Tt doesn't sense that all European EVs would have the same connector even though not all European EVs would charge charge from three-phase/single-phase.
Diesel stations have different nozzles than gasoline stations, shouldn't it be the same for single-phase vs. three-phase charging?
Shouldn't the connectors be different to avoid the balancing issues you guys were talking about at the beginning of the thread?
As you know, even for an overnight charge the car needs >30A. The issue is that some power companies don't like this happening on a single phase as AlpineDriver has found.
Assuming that you and your immediate neighbours have a daily commute/range need of around 200 miles and share a similar taste in cars.
Maybe a Smartgrid could improve phase balancing? Or 3P is fitted as standard in new garages.