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Boeing 787 Dreamliner & Battery Issues

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Sounds like a rather trivial design error, doesn't it? Of course, the electronics causing it might be complex, but it sounds like something avoided by careful design, especially in an EV where design attention centers on this function.

It's entirely possible a firmware bug could have been the root cause, if the voltage and current are regulated by a microcontroller.

There are also chips designed to control Lithium-Ion battery chargers, but they might have configuration parameters that were set incorrectly (also possibly firmware).

The thing is, if the manufacturer of the device (almost certainly not Boeing but a supplier) did an update after the plane was certified, and screwed up badly, this could be the result.
 
This seems like a very basic error, or lack of redundancy in voltage and temperature monitoring, and fail safe shutdown mechanisms. There should be at least two ways to disconnect the pack from the charger as well as separate voltage and temperature signalling to do so.
 
Do you have a link regarding aerospace applications that I can use to fight the FUD?

Sure. One of the common suppliers is Saft:

Original cell - http://www.saftbatteries.com/doc/Documents/space/Cube712/VL48E_Data%20Sheet.9fb22320-5153-480f-aa11-97d93bcb514a.pdf

Newer - http://www.saftbatteries.com/doc/Documents/space/Cube712/VES%20180.e9cf5d8f-3cbd-4921-8ac0-89d7b13bd0c0.pdf

Some further info from a conference: Lithium Ion Battery Risk Reduction Testing in Support of Robotic Lander Vehicles


ABSL have supplied li-ion batteries for missions since PROBA-1 in 2001. That satellite is still operating.

http://www.abslspaceproducts.com/Default.aspx?pid=3&catid=6&subcatid=11


All the satellites I started working on at SSTL a decade ago were using 18650 Li-ion cells from ABSL
 
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Interesting that PenFed, who is being used by a lot of S buyers to finance their purchase sent out an email today to members. It cites the Green Car Reports article: Boeing 787 Batteries Same As Those In Electric Cars? Umm, NO

The email isn't a link so I'll try to copy and paste it in. But it essentially quotes the article several times.

Spotlight on Technology: How Safe are Lithium-ion Battery Packs?



If you're concerned that the lithium-ion battery packs in your hybrid car could be as dangerous as the batteries in the recently grounded Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft, remain calm. John Voelcker of Green Car Reports explains that while the battery types may be similar, their chemistries are actually quite different.

In his article at Green Car Reports, Voelcker offers a scientific explanation describing the differences between chemistries of the lithium-ion batteries:

"The cells in the 787, from Japanese company GS Yuasa, use a cobalt oxide (CoO2) chemistry, just as mobile-phone and laptop batteries do. That chemistry has the highest energy content, but it is also the most susceptible to overheating that can produce "thermal events" (which is to say, fires).

Only one electric car has been built in volume using CoO2 cells, and that's the Tesla Roadster. Only 2,500 of those cars will ever exist.

The Chevrolet Volt range-extended electric car, on the other hand, uses LG Chem prismatic cells with manganese spinel (LiMn2O4) cathodes.

While chemistries based on manganese, nickel, and other metals carry less energy per volume, they are widely viewed as less susceptible to overheating and fires."

Here's a little more information related to the safety of lithium-ion battery packs powering the Teslas and Chevy Volts:

In a dozen Google searches using various combinations of the words "NHTSA, Tesla, battery, fire, lithium-ion," we were unable to find any news related to battery fires in Tesla cars related to thermal events. Keep in mind, most of these cars have been on the road since 2008, so there have been plenty of opportunities for such an instance to occur. They seem pretty safe. Tesla DID have a recall of 439 vehicles related to a low-voltage auxiliary cable which could chafe against the edge of a carbon fiber panel in the vehicle and possibly causing a short, smoke and a possible fire behind the right front headlamp of the vehicle. This is not the same kind of problem.

In research related to the Chevy Volt battery fire risk, we learned that in targeted National Highway Traffic Safety Administration testing intended to duplicate a situation in which a Volt caught fire while parked at a NHTSA testing center in Wisconsin three weeks after a side-impact crash test May 12, one car had no problems, one battery fire started after seven days, one battery had sparks and smoke after it was turned over, but no instances of an actual fire. The problem in the Volt case seems NOT to be the chemistry or the format of the batteries themselves, but the possibility that leaking coolant could cause a short, possibly leading to a fire. Outside of their own testing, NHTSA noted that there are no known "real-world" instances of battery problems causing fires to erupt after a driver crashes a Volt, and added that "Volt owners who have not been in a serious crash do not have reason for concern."
 
787 battery blew up in 06 lab test, burned down building | Business & Technology | The Seattle Times
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BBC World News

Dreamliner: Boeing 787 aircraft battery 'not faulty'

Airline safety inspectors have found no faults with the battery used on Boeing's 787 Dreamliner, Japan's transport ministry has said.

The battery was initially considered the likely source of problems on 787s owned by two Japanese airlines.

The world's entire fleet of 50 787s has been grounded while inspections are carried out.

Attention has now shifted to the electrical system that monitors battery voltage, charging and temperature.

Transport ministry official Shigeru Takano said "we have found no major quality or technical problem" with the lithium-ion batteries. Shares in GS Yuasa, which makes the batteries, jumped 5% on the news.