kgvickers
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Thanks. That's about 8 miles from my home. Might have to go take a look.sorry... $59k ... still ($20k) cheaper than the CT https://www.autonation.com/cars/1FT...VYmFHAR1y7wczEAQYCiABEgL1DvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
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Thanks. That's about 8 miles from my home. Might have to go take a look.sorry... $59k ... still ($20k) cheaper than the CT https://www.autonation.com/cars/1FT...VYmFHAR1y7wczEAQYCiABEgL1DvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
What #1 selling new car are you talking about?
When you make up information like that it certainly does seem bad.Yep, this year is a disaster. Bad decisions made in previous years ( not preparing alternative battery production to the 4680s and not working on a conventional truck and a smaller/cheaper vehicle) plus the leader’s antics have all combined to get us where we are.
Not looks like it’s robotaxi or bust.
It’s such a shame as without Elon the EV revolution will not be where it is.
Now it looks like the adoption of EVs will be slower overall, the Chinese will dominate outside the western world and the uptake in America and Europe will be slower due to tesla not having a greater range of vehicles which will have pushed the established players.
You seem to be misunderstanding my post, or I’m misunderstanding yours.
Irrelevant. With 2 mass market models the overall sales will not increase as much going forward.
What’s made up? Cybertruck is the ultimate Elon ego disaster. The rest of the lineup is getting stale rapidly and there’s no real updates in sight.When you make up information like that it certainly does seem bad.
Like the leading Ford F-150?Irrelevant. With 2 mass market models the overall sales will not increase as much going forward.
No other mass markets products in the pipeline for a few years means sales will flatline.
I did misunderstand yours, sorry.You seem to be misunderstanding my post, or I’m misunderstanding yours.
You said "Then why are other EV manufacturers sales better or as good as previous."
I said "It’s easy to have “increased sales” when your market position is a rounding error compared to the established players." clearly talking about "other EV manufacturers" like you were.
You responded by saying the Model Y is the best selling car in the world (this is where you lost the thread).
I spent some time in the Mach E as it was my primary choice as first EV. Dealership even let me have one of 'em for an entire day. I feel the build quality is better than a MY. The seat material feels like you paid for it as opposed to these vegan seats in Teslas. Aren't all cows vegan anyway? The design is more visually interesting. Drives well enough (no worse than an MY). It's an EV (amongst a few I've tried) that is least appliance feeling. All of 'em seem to devoid of any good steering feel. Might as well be a super quick minivan for all I care.The Mach E is a great car but has similar software niggles, charging limitations, and other blaring signs of a gen 1 release. I really wanted to like them both but after a more than fair shot and extended analysis we bought a Y. It’s really the superior car in just about every way right now, for better or worse.
Where's the disaster? Aside from so many people begging for one?What’s made up? Cybertruck is the ultimate Elon ego disaster. The rest of the lineup is getting stale rapidly and there’s no real updates in sight.
“Robotaxi” is going to be a close second on the Elon ego disaster rankings.
Word is they're cutting shifts and reducing line output so there are not so many people "begging" for one. It's going to be a sales disaster once they sell through the handful of grown-ass men that want to cosplay Blade Runner. It just isn't a long-term viable product in the market. It's a gimmicky joke.Where's the disaster? Aside from so many people begging for one?
I heard... apparently there's a stop sale because the accelerator pedals fall off and wedges to the floor at WOT?There is a relatively big issue for Cybertruck owners.
Very similar opinion to yours here.I spent some time in the Mach E as it was my primary choice as first EV. Dealership even let me have one of 'em for an entire day. I feel the build quality is better than a MY. The seat material feels like you paid for it as opposed to these vegan seats in Teslas. Aren't all cows vegan anyway? The design is more visually interesting. Drives well enough (no worse than an MY). It's an EV (amongst a few I've tried) that is least appliance feeling. All of 'em seem to devoid of any good steering feel. Might as well be a super quick minivan for all I care.
That said, it is a 1st gen attempt based off on a Ford Escape platform. The space utilization is behind the MY and Ioniq5 by quite the long shot. The rear door button access feels unsafe for kids. Its interface while large is quite laggy. Android Auto kept crashing. For tech, Tesla is a few miles ahead of the legacy EV makers. There are lot of smoke and mirrors being played by the dealerships. This annoys me quite a bit. Hate the tactics played. Tesla is a fresh take streamlining the buying process I think.
I came away feeling the legacy makers are a bit half-hearted with BEV. Ford is pivoting to PHEV. They stopped MachE production in March/April. I have not decided yet. Thought I share my take on this car.
You are jumping at a lot of conclusions here.Word is they're cutting shifts and reducing line output so there are not so many people "begging" for one. It's going to be a sales disaster once they sell through the handful of grown-ass men that want to cosplay Blade Runner. It just isn't a long-term viable product in the market. It's a gimmicky joke.
I heard... apparently there's a stop sale because the accelerator pedals fall off and wedges to the floor at WOT?
What you see as a positive sign for CT I can only read as a very ominous one for the S/X. The market is done with them and there is no replacement on the horizon. The US is obsessed with midsize 3 row crossovers and Tesla doesn’t have one people want - the Y is WAY too small and the X is somehow complicated, gawdy, expensive, AND terribly dated at the same time.And it's already anticipated that it will outsell the Model X or Model S this year.
If CT driver demographic is not well north of 80% male I’ll eat my hat.You may not be aware, but women make up a big chunk of pickup sales.
… and here’s the tell of a true Tesla apologist. If you have a different opinion and don’t blindly toe the Elon/company line you’re clearly a poor, a short, or just envious and angry at the well-to-do ElonHuffers.I'm sorry that you are so upset that you can't afford one. Jealousy is a painful experience.
I saw a truck load of them heading down i15 towards San Diego a couple hours ago.Where is that truck?
Maybe Musk can keep his mouth shut and stop making an ass of himself and his companies.Maybe Tesla can stop removing things that people want in their cars - radar, USS, turn-stalks, gear shifter, etc.
The S/X are in a different market. They are in the luxury market where car sales are much lower. Look at Mercedes, they slid down in the market just to increase sales.What you see as a positive sign for CT I can only read as a very ominous one for the S/X. The market is done with them and there is no replacement on the horizon. The US is obsessed with midsize 3 row crossovers and Tesla doesn’t have one people want - the Y is WAY too small and the X is somehow complicated, gawdy, expensive, AND terribly dated at the same time.
If CT driver demographic is not well north of 80% male I’ll eat my hat.
… and here’s the tell of a true Tesla apologist. If you have a different opinion and don’t blindly toe the Elon/company line you’re clearly a poor, a short, or just envious and angry at the well-to-do ElonHuffers.
I’ve paid Tesla a few multiples of a CT at this point on a new Model S, Model 3, Model Y, Powerwalls, and solar. To say I’m invested in the ecosystem would be an understatement. The fact that people like me are concerned should be a concern.
I'm not talking about pickups. I'm talking about CyberTrucks.Take a trip to Texas and see who drives the pickups.
Strong pass....Take a trip to Texas and see who drives the pickups.