Pagemakers
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That thing got covered up a long time ago.Are you guys absolutely sure you are not getting a camera based nag?
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That thing got covered up a long time ago.Are you guys absolutely sure you are not getting a camera based nag?
That may be part of the problemThat thing got covered up a long time ago.
It’s really not…
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If you believe everything you read on the internet, you’d probably see out your existence in your bunker in your back garden.Hard to believe reading the angst in this (and several other) threads!
.., Who actually goes out of their way to write a positive/neutral review about anything?
I am, it is the small steering wheel notice but the text reads something like "Keep your focus on the road" (Translated from memory from the Danish version)Are you guys absolutely sure you are not getting a camera based nag?
The animation for the camera bag has a picture of a steering wheel which is unhelpful but the text is different….
I can’t say I’ve noticed any difference to the steering wheel nag since getting the update. I had two cars one with the update and one without at the start and A-B tested them, it was identical.
When both cars had the update, the steering wheel pressure was identical.
I do.... frequently. Particularly on Trustpilot.
I believe good service / products should be acknowledged.
I also feel that it is lazy just to write 1 or 5 * reviews when the truth is most frequently somewhere between the extremes.
Yes, that would be the camera based nag. If you enable AP and then immediately look away from the road, it will immediately nag you.I am, it is the small steering wheel notice but the text reads something like "Keep your focus on the road" (Translated from memory from the Danish version)
Happens even if i look at the tesla screen for a few seconds to change the radio station or make a change in the navigation for example.
I tried it where i looked at the screen for a second, then briefly looked at the road to see that everything was still clear. Doing this a few times in a row will still trigger it, even though i am looking at the road, and even though there is not a car in sight and even if there were a stopped car i would be able to see it 30 seconds in advance atleast.Yes, that would be the camera based nag. If you enable AP and then immediately look away from the road, it will immediately nag you.
Wait a few seconds and it will not. If you are outside of this time, you’d need to be looking away for more than ‘a few’ seconds (3 in most peoples book) to trigger the nag.
And to be fair over 3 seconds is enough time at motorway speeds to go from ‘everything is fine’ to ‘massive collision that I didn’t realise was happening in front of me’.
This. several versions ago Tesla outwitted weights by monitoring torque consistency. A human cannot apply completely consistent torque like a weight can.nope imho
they just monitor the torque applied. if that is constant - disengages
I think this is actually a safety issue and although they could be a bit softer, I don't disagree with the tones. Particularly when distinguishing between TACC and AP/FSD.oh god.. I would kill someone for silent engage/disengage of AP. those bing bongs are the most annoying part of any longer trip... well, that and rattles
Nope, it is BS that is a Safety issue, IMHO.I think this is actually a safety issue and although they could be a bit softer, I don't disagree with the tones. Particularly when distinguishing between TACC and AP/FSD.
Tesla decreased the amount of torque required to stop a nag but that was many versions ago. I don't remember exactly when but it was at least a year ago. In my experience there hasn't been a change recently. Another factor is the variability in hardware between cars. At some point Tesla added an infrared light to the cabin camera to aid in nighttime monitoring. Some have theorized that covering up a camera with an infrared light will cause an error while doing so in an older one will not.
What has changed is the number of nags and what triggers them. Recent versions have become much more particular in this regard. I suspect you may have your American cousins to blame for this - there was recently and investigation but the NHTSA (highway safety administration) that required Tesla to change the driver monitoring systems because too many people were misusing the systems and/or using defeat devices.
As an American, I can only apologise for the stupidity of my brethren making life difficult to others. (I know we don't exactly have a monopoly on stupidity but we often seem to be markedly better!) I think part of it is the American legal and regulatory system as well. I'm not sure why Tesla should be responsible for drivers' lack of common sense, but here we are...
but you can double tap the stalk and not enable AP as you intended, or you can tug a bit too hard on the wheel and disable AP without realizing it.Nope, it is BS that is a Safety issue, IMHO.
And here's why:
It is not that you enable AP by accident. You need double tap on handle in order to enable it, and it is by default predetermined action
Again, all other manufacturers (by that I mean all main ones, like BMW, VW, etc) enable AP like feature silently, with visual indicator only.
Moreover, there is already visual clue which indicates which mode it is. Again - that is sufficient for all other manufacturers but not Tesla? BS.
Also, if that WAS safety issue, Tesla would not allow you to enable TACC silently (you can turn off TACC chime).
That alone shows that it is definitely not a safety issue.
It is just bloody stupid tesla stubbornness with trying to upsell FSD and EAP.
That is why these morons do not allow AP auto resume by default on standart AP and you need S3XY buttons in order to have it
Tesla with all it's supped AI should be able to determine that if I had AP enabled and I changed the lane and it is still same dual carriage, then well, I would like my AP back. But noooo, i have to double tap again, bing bong etc.
Btw, in Murica I think you can disable ne nag with turn of the right wheel on steering wheel (AP/TACC speed limit adjuster). This is the thing which we never ever had in Europe
That is fine.but you can double tap the stalk and not enable AP as you intended, or you can tug a bit too hard on the wheel and disable AP without realizing it.
To be honest i think the reason you are not allowed to make lane changes and have AP continue is because they need something that differentiates it from NOA/EAPThat is why these morons do not allow AP auto resume by default on standart AP and you need S3XY buttons in order to have it
Tesla with all it's supped AI should be able to determine that if I had AP enabled and I changed the lane and it is still same dual carriage, then well, I would like my AP back. But noooo, i have to double tap again, bing bong etc.
But that's not how EAP/EAP works. He's asking for it to automatically disengage and reengage after a lane change, not to carry out the lane change for you as EAP/NOA does.To be honest i think the reason you are not allowed to make lane changes and have AP continue is because they need something that differentiates it from NOA/EAP
I take your point but if AP automatically re-engaged after a manual lane change and didn’t bong all the freaking time then there’d be virtually no point to EAP.But that's not how EAP/EAP works. He's asking for it to automatically disengage and reengage after a lane change, not to carry out the lane change for you as EAP/NOA does.