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Much like I’ll never get Toyota to explain why my Highlander has never achieved anywhere near the rated 27 mpg. It doesn’t matter - the EPA tells them what they advertise, just like they tell Tesla.You will never get TESLA to address this advertised range issue, they will hide behind all these useless tests that some one has to do get to true range.
There lies the problem with EV - Batteries, a Tank capacity may not change on a ICE, however the battery capacity does due to degradation and that is my point. Also, my understanding is that ICE vehicles does not have an concept of RATED Range.Much like I’ll never get Toyota to explain why my Highlander has never achieved anywhere near the rated 27 mpg.
Also, my understanding is that ICE vehicles does not have an concept of RATED Range.
I am dealing with the exact same issue as PXD, I have a Sept 13th delivered Raven MS and I was charging to 333 miles regularly at the superchargers. I decided to change to percentage and was shocked to see that 333 was around 90%, I placed a service call to have this looked at and now am worried that my battery might have an issue. Now with that being said, I'm a habitual supercharger, hell with free charging who wouldn't be. If I'm by the chargers in town I'll regularly "top off" because simply put... I can.
Now is this an issue? I think the lowest I've driven it down to was about 50 miles range, have about 2600 miles on the car so far.
But 90% should be 333 but it's not on my car. I read everyone saying to "forget it, and just live with the way it is" but I am with PDX, if I bought a car that is basically a computer, and this computers battery capacity is 370mi range, than 90% should be 333 not less.
Just an issue with buying something that isn't what they are advertising.
I did try to charge it to 100% once within the first 7 days just to see if truly got 370 before my 1 week return period was done, It got to 365 and was taking Sooooooooooooo long to go any higher that I just gave up and left, figured close enough.
I'm confused. Your post says that you were charging to 333, which turned out to be 90%. But then two paragraphs later you say that 90% isn't 333. What is your indicated rated range at 90%?
And again, this is all academic - the range of your car is based upon how you're driving. I can get 450 miles out of my car, or 120 miles, by driving differently. Sure, maybe the battery only has 97kWh instead of 100, but that's just how it works. You bought a car with a ~100kWh battery that's rated under certain laboratory-style conditions at ~270Wh per mile, and no battery degradation warranty. It is what it is and not worth stressing over.
Now with that being said, I'm a habitual supercharger, hell with free charging who wouldn't be. If I'm by the chargers in town I'll regularly "top off" because simply put... I can.
Now is this an issue?
Can you provide the source for that statement. Because Tesla themselves have said in the past that supercharging depredation is negligible due to the sophisticated BMS.Short answer? Yes. Frequent use of the superchargers (no idea what constitutes "frequent") will degrade the battery at a higher rate than charging at home.
Can you provide the source for that statement. Because Tesla themselves have said in the past that supercharging depredation is negligible due to the sophisticated BMS.
According to Tesla engineers, once vehicle has been DC fast charged over a specified amount, the battery management system restricts DC charging to prevent degradation of the battery pack. According to Tesla engineers, this vehicle has seen significant DC fast charging and is now has permanently restricted DC charging speeds.
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The peak charging rate possible in a li-ion cell will slightly decline after a very large number of high-rate charging sessions. This is due to physical and chemical changes inside of the cells.
I'm confused. Your post says that you were charging to 333, which turned out to be 90%. But then two paragraphs later you say that 90% isn't 333. What is your indicated rated range at 90%?
And again, this is all academic - the range of your car is based upon how you're driving. I can get 450 miles out of my car, or 120 miles, by driving differently. Sure, maybe the battery only has 97kWh instead of 100, but that's just how it works. You bought a car with a ~100kWh battery that's rated under certain laboratory-style conditions at ~270Wh per mile, and no battery degradation warranty. It is what it is and not worth stressing over.
Tesla explains why it limits Supercharging speed after high numbers of DC charges - Electrek
Specifically:
While the BMS may limit the amount of degradation to some extent by essentially forcing a slower charge, it cannot prevent it entirely due to science .
'what a crock of *sugar*, offer free supercharging, then limit and reduce capacity?????????
I bought this simply because I figured I would NEVER plug in at home since a SC is less than 5 miles away in an area I'm in weekly. So now I'm permanently locked down to slower speeds and less range. Wonder how I can get this reversed.
Now that being said, I've probably only SC'd my car in the 2 months I've owned it 20 times?
I had a 2017 MS 100D until some knucklehead with a suspended license and no insurance plowed into me/T-boned me on the driver's side door as I was driving. That car was totalled and now I have a 2019 MS LR. I'm having the same issue with never reaching 370.
Usually in those cases your insurance pays out and they try to recoup the money somehow.Would like to know what about to knucklehead? did he have to pay out your car since he had no insurance?