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P90D Ludicrous mode video
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Judging from the outraged complaints of the P85+ owners when the P85D was announced, prospective P85D owners will be virtually trampling each other on the order page to spend that kind of cash on their ludicrous car. Not that there is anything wrong with that, from my standpoint as an investor ...:smile:
Fuzzy number recall + fuzzy math...
P85D, with 1300A draw: 415 kW -> 556.52 hp
P90D, with 1500A draw: 415 kW * 1500 / 1300 = 478.85 kW -> 642.15 hp
Not 691 but getting closer?
Why would the P85+ owners be pissed? They actually got what they paid for. Us P85D owners paid for 691 hp but only got 530 hp. On top of that, the Ludicrous upgrade still won't be quite 691 hp and if we want it, we'll have to pay for it again because we paid for the first time and didn't actually get it.
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642 assuming 0 conversion losses before it hits the motors shafts which of course isn't true. However, evidence is starting to mount that the conversion loss through the DC-DC converter and through the motor is only about 3%.
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Ok, just wondering how many P85D owners will be trading in their current cars for the P90D + Ludicrous?
As you recall, it was not too long ago that the P85D resulted in a landslide of P85 and P85+ hitting the used car market.
(when I wrote the above I was not aware of the eventual P85D upgrade to P90D for $5L + labor fees.)
In any case, as you can see from my updated signature, I will be going for the P90D... later this year. I do not however think that $10K for .3 seconds LUDICROUS MODE is worth it to me.
You can try to talk me into it...:smile:
Also noticed that the Design Studio does not yet reflect any more EPA miles when you add the $3K range option to the P85D.
Perhaps the TM web folks will be adding that.
I will be updating the Model S Options Wiki as time allows...
Will the P90DL be the Ludicrous insignia? Makes Sense. Your Thoughts?
As you recall, it was not too long ago that the P85D resulted in a landslide of P85 and P85+ hitting the used car market.
(when I wrote the above I was not aware of the eventual P85D upgrade to P90D for $5L + labor fees.)
In any case, as you can see from my updated signature, I will be going for the P90D... later this year. I do not however think that $10K for .3 seconds LUDICROUS MODE is worth it to me.
You can try to talk me into it...:smile:
Also noticed that the Design Studio does not yet reflect any more EPA miles when you add the $3K range option to the P85D.
Perhaps the TM web folks will be adding that.
I will be updating the Model S Options Wiki as time allows...
Will the P90DL be the Ludicrous insignia? Makes Sense. Your Thoughts?
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My understanding is they don't need to trade in their current cars to get a P85D with Ludicrous mode (or extra fleecing mode as I call it).
They can upgrade for a little over $5K.
They won't get the extra range, but that marginal amount of extra range isn't worth going through all that hassle.
New buyers are the ones that really have a dilemma. Do you really want to spend $10K more (assuming they opt for the 90 upgrade for more range) to simply accelerate a few tenths of a seconds faster to 60? Or get to 155mph 20% faster, but you can't actually stay at 155mph. It's just some weird temporary only speed. Just like you can't keep doing 0-60 runs back to back with the same 2.8 seconds time. You have to let the electronics cool.
I seriously question a persons priorities on this planet if they go and spend $10K extra on a fuse to go a few tenths of a seconds faster every once in awhile in a massive spaceship sized family sedan. At that point it's not about using it, but about being able to make a claim at some cocktail party.
That $10K is $10K that's not going to anything really useful. That's 10K not being used to put Solar Panels on some house of someone/something that will really benefit from it.
That $10K is $10K that's not going to get some poor person affordable transportation
That $10K is just another 10K to indicate how substantially disconnected you are from the realities of the real world.
I'm not ridiculing anyone personally for their decisions on what to buy. I certainly have wasted good money on things other people thought were silly. Like a $2000 twenty minute Jet Fighter flight. I'm simply saying these are things people have to ask themselves before forking over $10K for a fancy fuse on top of a car that's already quite ridiculous.
I honestly don't know why Tesla keeps banging this drum. Sure I know that profit margin on that mode is ludicrous, and that's hard for them to pass up. But, there are so many things about the car that needs to be improved to fit the expectation of someone spending $125K+ on a car.
The fit and finish. How much higher in sky can the price be when the fit and finish really isn't as good as a $40K Audi? When people in this forum comment about how good the current generation fit and finish is they're not comparing it to other cars. They're comparing it to older Tesla's.
Road Noise and Rattles? Why not improve it to reduce these? I have a 70D, and in this area it's barely passable when compared to the competition.
The reliability? How about using that engineering talent that went into that electronic fuse to fix the 12V battery issue, or get to the bottom of the power inverter failures. I'd rather celebrate how reliable my $90K+ car is instead of going "Well they're a new company".
Now don't get me wrong I love my 70D, but I'm seriously beginning to wonder what Tesla's priorities are.
Engineering isn't a free endless resource that one can pull from. It's a limited resource so why in the world is ludicrous getting so much attention? Is this really their way of marketing? It's not actually useful in actual driving in the real world. It's useful for press releases, and car mags.
It's not useful on the track because you can't do more than one or two laps without it slowing down to cool down.
Could be fun on a dragstrip.
They can upgrade for a little over $5K.
They won't get the extra range, but that marginal amount of extra range isn't worth going through all that hassle.
New buyers are the ones that really have a dilemma. Do you really want to spend $10K more (assuming they opt for the 90 upgrade for more range) to simply accelerate a few tenths of a seconds faster to 60? Or get to 155mph 20% faster, but you can't actually stay at 155mph. It's just some weird temporary only speed. Just like you can't keep doing 0-60 runs back to back with the same 2.8 seconds time. You have to let the electronics cool.
I seriously question a persons priorities on this planet if they go and spend $10K extra on a fuse to go a few tenths of a seconds faster every once in awhile in a massive spaceship sized family sedan. At that point it's not about using it, but about being able to make a claim at some cocktail party.
That $10K is $10K that's not going to anything really useful. That's 10K not being used to put Solar Panels on some house of someone/something that will really benefit from it.
That $10K is $10K that's not going to get some poor person affordable transportation
That $10K is just another 10K to indicate how substantially disconnected you are from the realities of the real world.
I'm not ridiculing anyone personally for their decisions on what to buy. I certainly have wasted good money on things other people thought were silly. Like a $2000 twenty minute Jet Fighter flight. I'm simply saying these are things people have to ask themselves before forking over $10K for a fancy fuse on top of a car that's already quite ridiculous.
I honestly don't know why Tesla keeps banging this drum. Sure I know that profit margin on that mode is ludicrous, and that's hard for them to pass up. But, there are so many things about the car that needs to be improved to fit the expectation of someone spending $125K+ on a car.
The fit and finish. How much higher in sky can the price be when the fit and finish really isn't as good as a $40K Audi? When people in this forum comment about how good the current generation fit and finish is they're not comparing it to other cars. They're comparing it to older Tesla's.
Road Noise and Rattles? Why not improve it to reduce these? I have a 70D, and in this area it's barely passable when compared to the competition.
The reliability? How about using that engineering talent that went into that electronic fuse to fix the 12V battery issue, or get to the bottom of the power inverter failures. I'd rather celebrate how reliable my $90K+ car is instead of going "Well they're a new company".
Now don't get me wrong I love my 70D, but I'm seriously beginning to wonder what Tesla's priorities are.
Engineering isn't a free endless resource that one can pull from. It's a limited resource so why in the world is ludicrous getting so much attention? Is this really their way of marketing? It's not actually useful in actual driving in the real world. It's useful for press releases, and car mags.
It's not useful on the track because you can't do more than one or two laps without it slowing down to cool down.
Could be fun on a dragstrip.
BoerumHill
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The priorities are, as you said yourself, in making more profit and of course the marketing that comes with having the fastest car. Tesla beating every performance car is a huge deal! That gets so much attention and creates such a great image for Tesla. It makes perfect sense for sales, marketing and profit. It makes very little sense in terms of efficiency or getting to the goal of mass market. But that's not the Model S mission.
People will pay for performance. There are a ton of other cars that offer versions with a larger engines. 20% faster is not insignificant. Don't forget they also offered a more affordable 70. Infact it looks like the same price as the former 60 RWD but it offers supercharging and bigger battery. Whos to say their priorities are off when they are also improving/decreasing the cost for their low end car.
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