gottagofast
2022 Model 3 Performance
Almost made the weekend, the nag still exists in certain situations then wonder what this means
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FSD v12.x (end to end AI)
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- #fixphantombraking autopilot chill is not chill elon is an ass fix fsd extreme late deceleration fsd does not commit to go fsd does not maintain proper speed fsd hard and late braking fsd has decision wobble fsd jerky driving fsd late deceleration fsd sometimes may not detect train crossings fsd stops too early too quickly fsd stops too far behind line fsd tailgating in city streets
willow_hiller
Well-Known Member
There are details in the linked article: "the camera is not occluded, there is sufficient cabin illumination, and the driver is looking forward at the road ahead and not wearing sunglasses, a hat with a low brim, or other objects covering the eyes"
gottagofast
2022 Model 3 Performance
So if you aren’t looking straight at the road at all times it will still ask to move the steering instead of just saying to look at the road
willow_hiller
Well-Known Member
Sounds like it, yes. Also small change to the strike-out system, with them automatically expiring after a week:
JohnB007
Member
That's unfortunate. Don't most people wear sunglasses during the day while driving?
Looks good, except for the sunglass requirement...
Good chance not much help based on the sunglasses requirement. Of course Elon never actually said nags were going away. The Tesla community just jumped to a lot of conclusions based on one word replies by Elon. That happens a lot. We'll just have to see how the new monitoring system has been implemented but still improvement.
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gottagofast
2022 Model 3 Performance
Yeah. Looks like the cutting edge will stay behind the latest update. But isn’t that usually the case? If people are still on 8.9 and haven’t had a trial yet they may have a chance to get 9.5 with 12.4. Instead of 14.7 with 12.3.6.
gottagofast
2022 Model 3 Performance
Todd Burch
14-Year Member
But a step forward is a step forward. Let's at least appreciate that we're moving in the right direction.
Hopefully it will get even better with 12.5.
If you don't get another strike in that week.
I think this is a very good improvement, as it should eliminate the problem of getting to 4 strikes, and then even after weeks of no strikes hitting a 5th and loosing FSDs for a week.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
I wear sunglasses when I drive on very bright, sunny days. It is a bummer that I may not get the full benefit of "hands-free" during the summer.
sleepydoc
Well-Known Member
Generally yes, but if you’re doubling the amount of noise you won’t improve the results. That’s ’if,’ though. All this is simply supposition.
As usual we’re taking an unclear comment by Elon and trying to figure out what he meant, if anything.
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gottagofast
2022 Model 3 Performance
On the negative side if you have 4 strikes it will take 4 weeks to get rid of all of them instead of 1 week
Currently, anything under 5 strikes don't reset at all.
Even on the current version 2024.3.25 I have noticed that in camera vision is reacting more to screen usage, either in dash screen OR phone usage.. I can essentially trigger a flashing blue or RED “pay attention” alert just by searching for SC on the dash screen or looking at phone for ~ 5 seconds.
It feels like the v12.4 'over the weekend' release was by the skin of their teeth. Hopefully it lives up to expectations as everything TSLA is heavily dependent on FSD success these days.
We've been waiting for v12 e2e magic to materialize for a while now. Aside from the usual sycophants, if v12.4 doesn't demonstrate significant improvements it might finally be time to stick a fork in the TSLA approach.
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We've been waiting for v12 e2e magic to materialize for a while now. Aside from the usual sycophants, if v12.4 doesn't demonstrate significant improvements it might finally be time to stick a fork in the TSLA approach.
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My eyes are pretty sensitive, so I wear sunglasses just about any time I'm not wearing my yellow night-vision glasses. But I can see being in a mood for hands-free and just sacrificing the sunglasses for that period. OTOH, keeping some torque on the yoke has never been all that much of an inconvenience.
If the cabin camera can't see your eyes, makes sense to default back to the steering nag. I think a lot of people saw the tweet about the steering nag removal and got super excited thinking it was absolute instead of only under the right conditions. Assuming it works as intended, this is a big step forward in my opinion and will happily not wear sunglasses or find some with only a light tint so the car can stare deeply into my eyes just like a Jane Austen novel.
The question ultimately will be how sensitive and how quickly the cabin camera triggers a nag based on where you are looking. While I haven't personally experienced it, have seen many others complain that it only takes a few seconds of looking at the screen to trigger a nag. What I wonder though is if that triggers much faster when it sees your hand going towards the screen instead of just your eyes looking at the screen for traffic visualization or something else. If so, this is when pressing the mic button and using voice commands may work better. Certainly something to test.
The rate of new releases and speed of progress on FSD however is extremely exciting.
