Welcome to Tesla Motors Club
Discuss Tesla's Model S, Model 3, Model X, Model Y, Cybertruck, Roadster and More.
Register

Tesla BEV Competition Developments

This site may earn commission on affiliate links.
I might add that normal car license is just class B. That is a maximum of 3500kg for vehicle including load. That is a European standard, you need class C1 intended for heavy trucks with Gross weight upto 7500kg to be able to drive this Silverado in Europe. The cost of taking the C1 license is around $2200-$2500 in Norway depending on if you can manage with minimum amount of lessons. So unless you do commercial truck driving as a hobby (pretty unusual) or as a job you'll do fine with a B license. So the market for this monster is not very large in Europe, compared to the Cybertruck that is below the magical 3500kg limit.

North Americans are obsessed with large vehicles. Pickups got enormous because of a loophole in the fuel mileage laws that allowed vehicles over a certain size to be exempt. Pickups got larger to meet that standard so they didn't have to meet the standards for smaller vehicles. When the standards were passed, they were only thinking commercial vehicles would be that big. Then the really large trucks became popular and got even bigger. In the suburbs and rural areas all "real men" drive big pickups. All the houses within 4 houses of ours has some kind of truck or SUV. And on the entire block I think there are only two houses (ours is one of them) that doesn't have an SUV or truck.

My partners law office partner got a Dodge RAM Hellcat pickup in 2018 or 2019. The thing had 1000 hp and got 8 mpg. It was very unreliable and he flipped it in 2021 when prices for used cars were insanely high. He actually sold it for more than he paid for it. But he was just a lawyer who rarely hauled anything. If any work had to be done on his house he'd hire someone. He barely knows which end of a hammer is the working bit. My partner drover herself nuts as the general contractor on their office remodel, but he was completely useless. He's about the last person in the world who needs a pickup, but he got a Silverado to replace the Hellcat.

I do know people who have pickups for recreational or work purposes and actually use them. My sister has had horses and has done trail riding for 40 years. She has a horse trailer and a 1 ton pickup to haul it. But the truck sits most of the time and she drives a sedan as her daily driver. A neighbor is a manager for a commercial electrical contractor and he has a truck too. He could probably drive a smaller car as a daily driver, but he does sometimes has to haul equipment out to work sites from the office. He's thinking of replacing his Ford F150 with a Rivian R1S for the next vehicle.

But at least half the people who drive pickups as daily drivers never haul anything that requires a pickup.
 
"The Global EV Outlook is an annual publication that assesses recent developments in electric mobility around the world. It is developed with the support of members of the Electric Vehicles Initiative (EVI).
...
Two online tools will be made available alongside the report: the Global EV Data Explorer and the Global EV Policy Explorer, which allow users to interactively explore EV statistics, projections and policy measures worldwide.

 

The Korean brand has not confirmed a name for this new SUV yet. The Ioniq Seven concept naturally led everyone to believe this SUV would be called the Ioniq 7. However, Automotive News reported that Hyundai is changing the name of the production vehicle to the Ioniq 9. That name would fit the SUV's flagship status and provide space in the nomenclature for smaller Ioniq 7 and Ioniq 8 vehicles.

Hyundai/Kia's nomenclature for their EVs is confusing lol
 
  • Like
Reactions: petit_bateau
That appears to be for Malaysia only. With China's domestic market getting soft, the Chinese are dumping their EVs onto the world market at discount prices. Any country that allows Chinese import cars is getting flooded with them.

The US currently doesn't allow imports of Chinese EVs. For one thing they don't meet US safety standards, but there are also high tariffs on car brands that don't make most of their US sold cars in the US (this goes back to the 1970s). That's why most European, South Korean, and Japanese car makers that are significant in the US have factories here. Among the top selling vehicles in the US for 2024 are the Model Y at #4 and the Model 3 at #17. Pickup trucks dominate the top slots in the US.
 
The US currently doesn't allow imports of Chinese EVs. For one thing they don't meet US safety standards,

This is not true. They are "allowed" and you can buy one today if you want- the Polestar 2.

Tariffs are high (and going MUCH higher here in a minute) but they're -allowed- (Obviously they need to pass US standards, and that car does.)

There's also a small loophole whereby companies that export FROM the US can use that to offset the import tariffs-- this was Volvos plan for importing the EX30 from China to the US to avoid those tariffs but that was before they announced they'll shortly be jacking them from ~25% to ~100%.
 
Not just Polestar, there are 2 Vinfast dealerships within 20 miles of my house. Nevermind the "traditional" Chinese brands like Jeep, Dodge, Volvo, Lotus, Fiat, Chrysler, Ram, Maserati, Smart, Alfa Romeo, etc.

The tide is turning quickly. Tesla currently holds the title of "world's most American car brand", but within a few years they might only be the "world's least Chinese car brand".
 
Not just Polestar, there are 2 Vinfast dealerships within 20 miles of my house. Nevermind the "traditional" Chinese brands like Jeep, Dodge, Volvo, Lotus, Fiat, Chrysler, Ram, Maserati, Smart, Alfa Romeo, etc.

The tide is turning quickly. Tesla currently holds the title of "world's most American car brand", but within a few years they might only be the "world's least Chinese car brand".


...unless I've missed something Vinfast makes their cars in Vietnam, not China.

They're building a US factory too, maybe 30ish minutes from where I live.
 
This is not true. They are "allowed" and you can buy one today if you want- the Polestar 2.

Tariffs are high (and going MUCH higher here in a minute) but they're -allowed- (Obviously they need to pass US standards, and that car does.)

There's also a small loophole whereby companies that export FROM the US can use that to offset the import tariffs-- this was Volvos plan for importing the EX30 from China to the US to avoid those tariffs but that was before they announced they'll shortly be jacking them from ~25% to ~100%.

I stand corrected, there are some Chinese car imports, but the cheap EVs Chinese companies are over producing are blocked from the US market. Mostly because they don't meet US safety standards and probably won't for some time.

A co-worker of my partner is a Vietnam vet who believes in buying American. He recently bought a Buick to but American only to find out it (like most Buicks) was made in China. I told him if he wants to buy American he needs to buy a Tesla. His response was "don't let my wife hear that, she wants a Tesla."
 
I stand corrected, there are some Chinese car imports, but the cheap EVs Chinese companies are over producing are blocked from the US market. Mostly because they don't meet US safety standards and probably won't for some time.

A co-worker of my partner is a Vietnam vet who believes in buying American. He recently bought a Buick to but American only to find out it (like most Buicks) was made in China. I told him if he wants to buy American he needs to buy a Tesla. His response was "don't let my wife hear that, she wants a Tesla."
The only Buick sold in the US that's made in China is the Envision. The Envista and Encore are make in ROK. The Enclave is made in Michigan.
 
  • Informative
Reactions: Doggydogworld
The only Buick sold in the US that's made in China is the Envision. The Envista and Encore are make in ROK. The Enclave is made in Michigan.

The funny thing is that GM has been selling EVs and PHEVs under the Buick nameplate for years in China. Yet they haven't bothered to bring them here. It is too bad - because I've owned a number of Buicks over the years (and still own one). My first new car was a '78 Regal Sport Coupe (turbo). But won't consider another unless it is an EV.
 
The funny thing is that GM has been selling EVs and PHEVs under the Buick nameplate for years in China. Yet they haven't bothered to bring them here. It is too bad - because I've owned a number of Buicks over the years (and still own one). My first new car was a '78 Regal Sport Coupe (turbo). But won't consider another unless it is an EV.
They might have brought the Velite over but just about that time high tariffs got slapped on Chinese cars. It was around the time of The End of the Sedan and multiple companies had to adjust strategy.
(GM did try to bring the Cadillac CT6 PHEV over and it was a sales disaster.)
 
The funny thing is that GM has been selling EVs and PHEVs under the Buick nameplate for years in China. Yet they haven't bothered to bring them here. It is too bad - because I've owned a number of Buicks over the years (and still own one). My first new car was a '78 Regal Sport Coupe (turbo). But won't consider another unless it is an EV.

I bought a Buick Roadmaster new in 1992 and kept it until I got my Model S in 2016. It was a great car. Very reliable. My mechanic wanted to buy it from me, but unfortunately the car outlasted him. He died of a heart attack about 2 years before I was ready to sell the car.

When I got my Model S, people were talking about how much bigger it was than other cars they had driven. The wheel base is the same between the Roadmaster and Model S. The width is the same too. The only difference was the Roadmaster was somewhat longer. So I have a bit more room in the garage.

I though it would be cool to take the skateboard from a Model S and drop the chassis from the Roadmaster on it. I don't have the skill or the tools to do it though. I liked the Roadmaster interior better.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Doggydogworld