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I hope it doesn’t get as packed as the san gabriel oneView attachment 765324
Hopefully this one can make it(they removed the Montebello one), so the one in San Gabriel won't be too crowded.
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I hope it doesn’t get as packed as the san gabriel oneView attachment 765324
Hopefully this one can make it(they removed the Montebello one), so the one in San Gabriel won't be too crowded.
SG one was 3 deep waiting at 9 am this morning! Pasadena chargers were 20/22 and 8/16. The Alhambra one hopefully will at least be 16 or more.I hope it doesn’t get as packed as the san gabriel one
uhm there is only a 20 stalls(250kw) and a 24(72kw) one, so which one are you talking about?SG one was 3 deep waiting at 9 am this morning! Pasadena chargers were 20/22 and 8/16. The Alhambra one hopefully will at least be 16 or more.
20/24 and 8/20. More concerned at how many were available at the time than the total number.uhm there is only a 20 stalls(250kw) and a 24(72kw) one, so which one are you talking about?
interesting how the new pasadena one is never even close to being full but yet the old one is? weird.20/24 and 8/20. More concerned at how many were available at the time than the total number.
It is both. Housing is expensive enough that lots of Tesla owners live in condos that don’t have charging. And then it is isn’t unusual for socal people to do longish trips, like to the ski mountains, or just the mountains in general (summer too), or San Diego to northern Los Angeles, or a lot of people like to drive to Las Vegas. So, yeah, very, very important. Which is probably why they are so very very crowded here.Curious question for those of you who live in SoCal: How important are superchargers to you? Do you not have home charging or do you drive around so much that you run out of juice in the middle of the day?
Living in LA, I am actually astounded by how many charging stations there are around, many of which are DCFC stations. And, if you live in LA and have home charging, when you go on long trips wouldn't you charge at a Supercharger hundreds of miles away rather than within the city? I don't understand why the SCs in LA are this crowded.It is both. Housing is expensive enough that lots of Tesla owners live in condos that don’t have charging. And then it is isn’t unusual for socal people to do longish trips, like to the ski mountains, or just the mountains in general (summer too), or San Diego to northern Los Angeles, or a lot of people like to drive to Las Vegas. So, yeah, very, very important. Which is probably why they are so very very crowded here.
While i agree with your statement, it is probably because:Living in LA, I am actually astounded by how many charging stations there are around, many of which are DCFC stations. And, if you live in LA and have home charging, when you go on long trips wouldn't you charge at a Supercharger hundreds of miles away rather than within the city? I don't understand why the SCs in LA are this crowded.
It would be interesting to know how many people are transient chargers, passing through town to or from somewhere else.Living in LA, I am actually astounded by how many charging stations there are around, many of which are DCFC stations. And, if you live in LA and have home charging, when you go on long trips wouldn't you charge at a Supercharger hundreds of miles away rather than within the city? I don't understand why the SCs in LA are this crowded.
More than half of the people in LA county are renters. It stands to reason that many of them cannot charge at home.Living in LA, I am actually astounded by how many charging stations there are around, many of which are DCFC stations. And, if you live in LA and have home charging, when you go on long trips wouldn't you charge at a Supercharger hundreds of miles away rather than within the city? I don't understand why the SCs in LA are this crowded.
There is almost no reason to use a supercharger if home charging is available. I use them exclusively for traveling, and even then, try to plan my trips to minimize SC use, and plan for destination charging at whatever property I am staying at. My assumption is that most the the chargers that are within the urban areas, and not close to a highway (e.g.: Santa Monica) are for people who don't have home charging. That is a large number of people. Just look at how many Teslas there are driving around. Rental properties are more common than single family homes. I have a family member who owns a 42 unit apartment building, and was unsuccesful in adding EV charging due to an insufficient power supply.Living in LA, I am actually astounded by how many charging stations there are around, many of which are DCFC stations. And, if you live in LA and have home charging, when you go on long trips wouldn't you charge at a Supercharger hundreds of miles away rather than within the city? I don't understand why the SCs in LA are this crowded.
Just drove by SM SC all 26-stalls were occupied at 9pm Monday night.There is almost no reason to use a supercharger if home charging is available. I use them exclusively for traveling, and even then, try to plan my trips to minimize SC use, and plan for destination charging at whatever property I am staying at. My assumption is that most the the chargers that are within the urban areas, and not close to a highway (e.g.: Santa Monica) are for people who don't have home charging. That is a large number of people. Just look at how many Teslas there are driving around. Rental properties are more common than single family homes. I have a family member who owns a 42 unit apartment building, and was unsuccesful in adding EV charging due to an insufficient power supply.
They still aren’t profiting. That’s actually near what the electricity costs once you include demand charges. And then you’ve got capital costs and maintenance.One reason not to Supercharge is the absurd rates: approaching $.60/kWh, making it multiples of utility rates.
Early rates were in the $.20-.$35/kWh, which quickly increased (doubling!) to where it's very close to equivalent gasoline prices. A very far cry from my 2015 MS with free lifetime Supercharging.
So much for not wanting to profit from Superchargers.
One reason not to Supercharge is the absurd rates: approaching $.60/kWh, making it multiples of utility rates.
They still aren’t profiting. That’s actually near what the electricity costs once you include demand charges. And then you’ve got capital costs and maintenance.
is every single supercharger in LA .60/kwh or just a select few?One reason not to Supercharge is the absurd rates: approaching $.60/kWh, making it multiples of utility rates.
Early rates were in the $.20-.$35/kWh, which quickly increased (doubling!) to where it's very close to equivalent gasoline prices. A very far cry from my 2015 MS with free lifetime Supercharging.
So much for not wanting to profit from Superchargers.
Since 2017, I've been using the 110V outlet to charge my Model 3 and it has worked beautifully fine. I have a SC a few blocks away from home that I rarely use. But, many people don't have garages and it would be very useful for there to be more access points on the street - even if they are only for overnight L1 charging. Keep it cheap. EVs are coming faster than city planners realize.I see quite a few Teslas parked on the street overnight in my neighborhood around the Westside of LA - even on streets that are primarily single-family homes. I'm sure there are plenty of people around parking on the street, or in an apartment or condo shared garage, who just can't feasibly get access to home charging.
Installing home charging has also gotten sort expensive in the past few years. My install (which was admittedly sort of complicated due to the 100A total service to my townhouse) was over $2K. That pays for a lot of Supercharging... assuming a $0.25 difference per kWh between home charging and Supercharger rates, that's like 8000 kWh (or something on the order of 25K miles worth of charging) before it's cheaper to charge at home.
Still more than worth it in the end to charge at home if EVSE install is feasible - especially when you factor in the increased batter life from so many fewer DC fast charges. But I'm sure the upfront cost puts a lot of people off.