SageBrush
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Yeah, probably.
Although I bet MN weather leads to a fair amount of resistance heating for thaw cycles and I would not be surprised in the winter COP is < 2.0 during heat pump operation.
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Hydrogen vs. Battery
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Yeah, probably.
Although I bet MN weather leads to a fair amount of resistance heating for thaw cycles and I would not be surprised in the winter COP is < 2.0 during heat pump operation.
JohnSnowNW
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I'm talking kWh. The heat pumps and new furnaces/airhandlers use as much energy as our old furnaces' blower motors, apparently.
Though, that's not the entire picture, as we also replaced our electric water heater with a heat pump water heater, in June, so some of the electricity savings can be attributed to the water heater replacement.
For a hydrogen filling station it's somewhere around $2M. So somewhere between 1 and 2 per mile deliverable. But then there's the fuel cost...
One estimate put hydrogen infrastructure leakage at 2.9% to 5.6%.
EPA says nationally methane leaks are 1.4% of production, although leaks at production sites could be as high as 9%.
Operator64
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And then the cost to produce the hydrogen, why not just send the natural gas to a electrical generation facility and cut out the whole process.
mspohr
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Solar-to-hydrogen project to be first stop on a California-to-Texas “hydrogen highway”
A 75 MW solar-to-hydrogen facility proposed for Bakersfield, California may mark the beginning of Fusion Fuel and Electus Energy’s green hydrogen vision for the United States.
pv-magazine-usa.com
Operator64
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Just for sake of free thought…..what if they use the 75MW put it into the grid in a state with some of the highest energy costs and the most instability during peak demand, relieving a natural gas powered electric plant of its use for natural gas and in turn using the natural gas to be reformed to hydrogen by facilities that already exist. Ohhhh never mind that wouldn’t be “green” enough, as in money lining pocketsSolar-to-hydrogen project to be first stop on a California-to-Texas “hydrogen highway”
A 75 MW solar-to-hydrogen facility proposed for Bakersfield, California may mark the beginning of Fusion Fuel and Electus Energy’s green hydrogen vision for the United States.
Based on a quick look at the company profiles, this is a laundering operation of some sort. The companies consist of a bunch of old white men with no education in technology and some basic education in business, finance, and jurisprudence. A funny fact, the boss of Electus has the last name Greene, like James Bond's Dominic Greene villain character who was using hydrogen and green energy to shell criminal operations.
Operator64
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Let's look at it from a First Principles approach.
What's the problem? Is it Hydrogen? No. It's Carbon. So why are we talking about Hydrogen if Carbon is the problem. Mother Nature already solved the problem of transporting Hydrogen - attach it to Carbon. We already have a Hydrogen economy.
Stop pointing at Hydrogen because we need to focus on what to do with Carbon. In other words, stop misdirecting, please.
What's the problem? Is it Hydrogen? No. It's Carbon. So why are we talking about Hydrogen if Carbon is the problem. Mother Nature already solved the problem of transporting Hydrogen - attach it to Carbon. We already have a Hydrogen economy.
Stop pointing at Hydrogen because we need to focus on what to do with Carbon. In other words, stop misdirecting, please.
I was purposely trying to be simplistic and only discussing the stations, but you are right about all of the other challenges with hydrogen. I think green hydrogen is a good thing but for industrial applications and as a replacement for hydrogen derived from fossil fuels.
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This is a surprising move by Honda, Hydrogen-Powered Honda CR-V to Be Built in the U.S. Starting in 2024 . I wonder if this is more about the Japanese government continuing to push Hydrogen versus Honda believing in Hydrogen as a viable fuel source.
For whatever reason the Japanese companies seem to be only dipping their toes into the EV space and as I’ve read elsewhere customers have been responded by leaving their brands for other options.
For whatever reason the Japanese companies seem to be only dipping their toes into the EV space and as I’ve read elsewhere customers have been responded by leaving their brands for other options.
Operator64
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fun fact from a rural area , within 100 miles of my home there are multiple refineries that produce copious amounts of hydrogen but there is no way to fill a vehicle.
Within that same 100 miles there are approximately 35 DCFC stations (all brands) at least 20 RV camping facilities with 100’s of camping sites collectively with 50 amp service approximately 25 L2 charging sites available to the public.
It amazes me that they are going that route but we will see how it works for them.
Merrill
Merrill
Because you have a business model that needs customers to fill up at your station rather than anywhere, including your home
Fuse hydrogen to make helium. Win-win, if it works.
mspohr
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If it works, it could lead to lots of cheap electricity which could be used to generate hydrogen.
However, thermal generation of electricity is fairly inefficient and then you have the inefficiencies of electrolysis, transport, storage, compression, etc.
SageBrush
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IMHO while it would allow hydrogen for chemicals and steel, but it would kill current hype of hydrogen as long term storage for renewables
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