Knightshade
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Perhaps when Elon says "fixed" he's talking about the report Omar was reposting about it taking TOO LONG between nags.
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Seriously people? NHTSA is up Tesla's ass on driver monitoring - "Fixed" means the monitoring will be back, and that nag-free drives for 10 mins was a bug.
Not a chance. If they eliminate nags, then drivers don't have to pay attention, and that's a Level 3 feature.I think it's more likely he's saying the nag will be fixed as a new feature in 12.4 by being "killed" as Omar suggested in the tweet Elon was directly replying to.
No it doesn't mean that. Driver's have to pay attention and that is enforced by the camera and usage agreement. If the driver looks away then the nag will return. What this means is there are not any nags when driver is paying attention according to the camera software and seat sensor.Not a chance. If they eliminate nags, then drivers don't have to pay attention, and that's a Level 3 feature.
camera software and seat sensor
Nah, clearly he's implying that 12.4 will give you reason to want to hold the wheel which means you'll never see the nag again.Elon implies 12.4 will be hands-free, in some capacity:
No - it just means FSD uses the internal camera more and nags you less.Not a chance. If they eliminate nags, then drivers don't have to pay attention, and that's a Level 3 feature.
Interesting how so many people are completely misinterpreting or twisting this. If Tesla removes the requirement to torque the wheel, it's because they believe they've refined and proven camera monitoring instead.
Tesla thinks they've got it, at least according to Eon's recent posts. NHTSA should be open to approving (or more accurately, open to not objecting/interfering) based on testing data and real-world results.... I suspect that the above-mirror position of the cabin camera and IR LED probably doesn't correspond to the optimal position for a purposefully designed eye tracking setup. There's no doubt that the AI analysis software can be trained to estimate where you're looking, more or less the same way you can infer where someone is looking whenever you can see his/her face. But I'm not sure that the "real" geometrical IR-return eye tracking method can be accomplished by Tesla's setup, as effectively as it may be in a purpose-built setup as with Ford Blue Cruise or similar systems.
....and especially since Foundation owners paid a SUPER Premium price for the privilege of WATING on FSD.FSD for Cybertruck still a few months away (Elon time):
Whether or not the camera+NN really does work well enough now, whether or not the wheel nag removal will apply to all cars or just newer IR-equipped cars, both remain to be seen - but assuming Tesla is oblivious of these points is nonsense.
Regarding NHTSA, they've already accepted the principle of L2 camera-based driver attention monitoring. I've seen Ford commercials showing the driver clapping to the music while Blue Cruise barrels along (towing a trailer no less).
FSD for Cybertruck still a few months away (Elon time):
I have yet to get 12.ANYTHING on my 2021 Refresh Model S....BUT my wife's 2017 Model X on 12.3.6 is actually quite good. (She is even impressed and she has called everything up to and including 11.4.9 total )
Her car of course has no internal camera so I wonder how enjoyable those early FSD cars will be with less hands on the wheel and no camera NAG. Maybe those will have quite the resale value too.
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100% they will keep it until FSD is unsupervised.They will almost definitely keep the steering wheel nag on the pre camera cars.
If that is the case I sure do prefer that over the camera. I can't even switch a song on my screen in my Refresh S without "PAY ATTENTION" LMAOThey will almost definitely keep the steering wheel nag on the pre camera cars.
100% they will keep it until FSD is unsupervised.
If that is the case I sure do prefer that over the camera. I can't even switch a song on my screen in my Refresh S without "PAY ATTENTION" LMAO
Not really. The control aspects of CT are quite different and thus need probably new set of APIs for FSD to interface. May have absolutely nothing to do with "new type of vehicle". For eg. CT doesn't use CAN bus but ethernet.Sounds like instead they need a bunch of miles per type of vehicle to be able to get it working on that type of vehicle-- rather than some folks theories they just need to set the size of the vehicle as a variable somewhere.
Not really. The control aspects of CT are quite different and thus need probably new set of APIs for FSD to interface. May have absolutely nothing to do with "new type of vehicle". For eg. CT doesn't use CAN bus but ethernet.
Sounds like instead they need a bunch of miles per type of vehicle to be able to get it working on that type of vehicle-- rather than some folks theories they just need to set the size of the vehicle as a variable somewhere.
I think the problem of Cybertruck FSD likely has more to do with its size and viewpoint limitations (without integrating the bumper camera video) and its different control response curves, particularly the variable-ratio (adaptive and context-based) steering. And more significantly, Its relatively low priority.Not really. The control aspects of CT are quite different and thus need probably new set of APIs for FSD to interface. May have absolutely nothing to do with "new type of vehicle". For eg. CT doesn't use CAN bus but ethernet.