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SageBrush
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IIRC the number refers to the pore size. If that is correct than an N100 is a lot better choice than the regular surgical masks I see people wearing. To be clear: the regular surgical masks are fine for people who are infected and trying to avoid spreading infectious aerosols when they cough or sneeze. The masks with filters are meant to be used by healthy people trying to avoid getting infected when they are in close contact to sick people.
JRP3
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nwdiver
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P100 half-masks are still available here for ~$30.
I'm worried about how we stop the spread when most Americans live paycheck to paycheck AND lack paid sick days. #UBI #PTO
Good thing we have robust healthcare everyone has access to.... oh wait... that's all the other countries
#We're screwed
I'm worried about how we stop the spread when most Americans live paycheck to paycheck AND lack paid sick days. #UBI #PTO
Good thing we have robust healthcare everyone has access to.... oh wait... that's all the other countries
#We're screwed
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Why is it only the left leaning people here who don't have enough self control to stop posting political rants? I really would like to use this forum to learn about coronavirus but you guys are making it impossible.
nwdiver
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??? How is that a 'political rant' Those are just facts on the ground. The people that are serving food and working retail (people that have A LOT of exposure to other people) are unlikely to be able to take time off OR see a doctor if they're sick. How do you expect that to influence the spread of COVID-19?
I propose we work to fix that so maybe we're ready for the next one... probably too late this time. Why is it people on the right so often conflate problem solving with 'political rants'?
This is an interesting idea;
As Mainland China Coronavirus Cases Continue To Climb, One City Offers $1,400 Reward For Patients Who Self-Report
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linux-works
Active Member
I'm saving my mask for things that matter:
SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
The short answer is that trumper scientists or physicians are distinctly uncommon, and when they pop up you probably do not want to read them.
Let me rephrase your comment though:
"I only accept free expertise if it passes my ideological sniff test."
Causalien
Prime 8 ball Oracle
I always find it incredible that people believe in things that CCP says. Whereas most people start off their interaction with CCP with the basis of trust and later slowly shed their trust. I start off any sort of interaction with CCP with full distrust and they have not managed to build any semblance of trust for me to discard this stance.
In any case, I am biased against CCP due to many personal experiences so take it with a grain of salt.
One fact that I see often misrepresented regarding Cov statistics is the mortality rate. Think about what exactly should go into the denominator and numerator. There’s just not enough information. Take the rates you read with a grain of salt.
1 case in Oregon involving an elementary school staff and 2 more separate cases of possible community acquired cases in the state of Washington. One of the two Washington cases involve a high school student, and so the school decided they will shut it down for 3 days to do a complete scrub down. Oh btw, the kid has a sibling and so the middle is notifying families now as well.
As most parents should know, it’s going to get worse if someone at a school is infected.
Can we please stop with the infatuation with masks? I’ve already laid it out here before, but it’s the sick that need to be wearing masks. Just like any other viral infection, the nasal and saliva droplets are not going to just be suspended in the air after someone sneezes or coughs. All the germs quickly land somewhere on surfaces. Since I assume >= 90% of the population either does not wash at all or does not properly wash hands long enough, one should be wearing gloves if even bothering to wear a mask for more effective prevention.
nwdiver
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There's a difference between surgical masks and properly fitted N95 or better masks. Surgical Masks don't provide much if any protection but N95 or better can if worn correctly (At least according to OSHA, NIH and NIOSH). Yes... hand washing is more important.
The growing threat of an influenza pandemic presents a unique challenge to healthcare workers, emergency responders, and the civilian population. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) recommends National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH)-approved respirators to provide protection against infectious airborne viruses in various workplace settings. The filtration efficiency of selected NIOSH-approved particulate N95 and P100 filtering facepiece respirators (FFRs) and filter cartridges was investigated against the viable MS2 virus, a non-pathogenic bacteriophage, aerosolized from a liquid suspension. Tests were performed under two cyclic flow conditions (minute volumes of 85 and 135 L/min) and two constant flow rates (85 and 270 L/min). The mean penetrations of viable MS2 through the N95 and P100 FFRs/cartridges were typically less than 2 and 0.03%, respectively, under all flow conditions. All N95 and P100 FFR and cartridge models assessed in this study, therefore, met or exceeded their respective efficiency ratings of 95 and 99.97% against the viable MS2 test aerosol, even under the very high flow conditions. These NIOSH-approved FFRs and particulate respirators equipped with these cartridges can be anticipated to achieve expected levels of protection (consistent with their assigned protection factor) against airborne viral agents, provided that they are properly selected, fitted, worn, and maintained.
Some news from Italy.
The italian strain has been isolated and studied. First findings suggest that the strain has been around since... october!
In Piacenza in november they had a spike in pneumonia cases not linked to any specific cause (like low air quality). Piacenza is very close to Codogno, one of the villages that are being quarantined.
Ricostruiti i primi mesi di vita dell’epidemia Covid-19 | La Statale News
Link is in italian but there is a study published on the journal of medical virology Early Phylogenetic Estimate Of The Effective Reproduction Number Of 2019-nCoV
The italian strain has been isolated and studied. First findings suggest that the strain has been around since... october!
In Piacenza in november they had a spike in pneumonia cases not linked to any specific cause (like low air quality). Piacenza is very close to Codogno, one of the villages that are being quarantined.
Ricostruiti i primi mesi di vita dell’epidemia Covid-19 | La Statale News
Link is in italian but there is a study published on the journal of medical virology Early Phylogenetic Estimate Of The Effective Reproduction Number Of 2019-nCoV
I have to politely disagree to your post.
In fact the outbreaks we are seeing in other places outside of China although increasing are not anywhere near what we have seen in China and with the lessons learned and the authorities learn every day more how to isolate and restrict the spread its unlikely that the situation get out of control.
Even in South Korea where numbers are high is very clear to everybody what the source is and how it happened. If thats clear you can stop the spread. Other places like Middle East worry me more than developed regions like Europe and North America and they may have a longer time issues to reduce new infections but the WHO will help and its a time race we are in to find appropriate medication and latter a vaccine so its all about this early days and since China did a great job to bring numbers down I am quite positive that we won't see the worse case scenarios painted from many to happen.
Pras
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A good way would be mortality by the batches of cases grouped by first reported date.
SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
2019-nCoV: preliminary estimates of the confirmed-case-fatality-ratio and infection-fatality-ratio, and initial pandemic risk assessment
Helpful for thinking about severity of this pandemic.
Helpful for thinking about severity of this pandemic.
The mortality(death rate) being represented by TV physicians to the public for COVID-19 in the US tends to be aproximately 2% as they now understand it. This compares with the mortality of flu being presented of about 0.1%. This seems to suggest COVID-19 is 20x more lethal than flu as I understand it in this very early experience data.
Edit: How that 0.1 vs 2.0 land as an impact in the community has many variables so I look at the mortality numbers and how they are applied to populations as pivotal data. It will change over time and experience of course.
Trends of infection are interesting and important but mortality is also a strong player in overall impact.
What I am hearing is that the time for quarantine has largely passed. This seems counter-intuitive to me but so be it. Now it is about preparations of the healthcare systems. Improving testing and treatment and minimizing obvious sources of spreading.
The economic impact is quite different from Sept 11 or war. War is stimulative as government orders baloon but disease not so much. The question will be evident in the flow of purchase orders. No purchase orders then fewer jobs and then more impact on the markets as consumers pull back. If businesses continue strong purchasing it will be a great signal but that won't be know for a period of time beyond days IMO.
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