its cute that you think they haven't been collecting that data... why aren't they better off just putting data collection on the 90% of cars without FSD, a...
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its cute that you think they haven't been collecting that data... why aren't they better off just putting data collection on the 90% of cars without FSD, a...
I thought it was important to get a free trial to everyone to increase data collection because they are no longer compute constrained? What was the point of the free trial if they don't need you running FSD to collect data?its cute that you think they haven't been collecting that data
Free trials (limited time offers, like a week or a month) are pretty common in the business world to try something with the hope of paid subscription or purchase upon completion of the trialI thought it was important to get a free trial to everyone to increase data collection because they are no longer compute constrained? What was the point of the free trial if they don't need you running FSD to collect data?
Of course they are. But many people in this thread claim the reason for the trial now is that Tesla is no longer compute constrained and needs DATA right now, and it has nothing to do with money or quarterly results.Free trials (limited time offers, like a week or a month) are pretty common in the business world to try something with the hope of paid subscription or purchase upon completion of the trial
Thanks for asking! The answer is simple. Tesla needs quality data. All the driving data from all the cars is probably way too much for them to process and is actually not very useful. If people are using one of the more recent versions of FSD then the data from when they disengage is an absolute gold mine. It's an extremely powerful and effective filter. Sure, not every disengagement is valuable but they odds of it being valuable are vastly higher than shadow mode data.I'm trying to understand why Tesla needs people to actively use FSD to train.
The only anecdotal evidence we have is that there are a few here that watch their routers and see large amounts of data being uploaded from their Tesla on WiFi.Of course they are. But many people in this thread claim the reason for the trial now is that Tesla is no longer compute constrained and needs DATA right now, and it has nothing to do with money or quarterly results.
I'm trying to understand why Tesla needs people to actively use FSD to train.
@BitJam ?
It turned out confirming the model 2 bumped the stock more than anythingOf course they are. But many people in this thread claim the reason for the trial now is that Tesla is no longer compute constrained and needs DATA right now, and it has nothing to do with money or quarterly results.
I'm trying to understand why Tesla needs people to actively use FSD to train.
@BitJam ?
The strong non-anecdotal evidence is the $1B Tesla spent in Q1 bringing their total training investment to $10B.The only anecdotal evidence we have is that there are a few here that watch their routers and see large amounts of data being uploaded from their Tesla on WiFi.
How will this help them understand a hand wave at a 4 way stop?If people are using one of the more recent versions of FSD then the data from when they disengage is an absolute gold mine. It's an extremely powerful and effective filter. Sure, not every disengagement is valuable but they odds of it being valuable are vastly higher than shadow mode data.
For years I've been hearing that Tesla's huge AI advantage is the data available from their fleet.
Right, it's brilliant if they only learn from disconnects. Which will never teach a car to drive like a human. If it learns from actual human driving, than the last thing you want is more FSD usage because that actually taints your data set. To me this shows Tesla is still on the 99% problem which you can actually experience enough to train via disconnects. It's worthless for getting to the long tail of 99.999999%.The one month free trial is brilliant because it will allow them to get an idea of what data and how much data they will want in the upcoming months when their compute power more than doubles. They are gathering data about gathering data.
Except for the fact that actual L3 and L4 systems out in the world did not take this approach.AFAIK there is no better way to solve a difficult problem like FSD.
How's that prediction of a "minor technical snag" being fixed "impressively quick" going? 4 weeks and nothing for 25%+ of the cars.BTW: as I had predicted/hoped Tesla fixed their nav data in my remote area of New Mexico.
Every disengagement helpsI'm trying to understand why Tesla needs people to actively use FSD to train.
If you look at where the driver is looking at the instant before they reached for the disenage and catch wavy action enough times you can model it and look for it at 4 ways.How will this help them understand a hand wave at a 4 way stop?
Closer to 50%+ on 2024.8.9 not 25%How's that prediction of a "minor technical snag" being fixed "impressively quick" going? 4 weeks and nothing for 25%+ of the cars.
Why are people disengaging at a stop sign for people waving hands?If you look at where the driver is looking at the instant before they reached for the disenage and catch wavy action enough times you can model it and look for it at 4 ways.
Not true. Tons of disengagements are not because the system did something wrong, and it's very hard to understand the context of the disengagement, especially when it's for a few pixels in the windshield of another car. Unlabeled disengagements can teach the system the wrong thing.Every disengagement helps
I don't know, perhaps to take up the right of way afforded by a waved hand. Perhaps because without disengaging at four ways they could have sat there for four days. A bit like spell checker thinks ways should be spelled every time.Why are people disengaging at a stop sign for people waving hands?
Can't people just hit the accelerator if they wave?I don't know, perhaps to take up the right of way afforded by a waved hand. Perhaps because without disengaging at four ways they could have sat there for four days. A bit like spell checker thinks ways should be spelled every time.
I've gotten out my car to yell at people to take their right of way before. Probably not the best approach, but it helped blow off stream in the moment.
A broader context must include not only an ability to understand the "why" of a present situation, but to interact with humans as well. A long tail, indeed.