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Is this consistent or this was one attempt? Maybe I'm using FSD differently from others, but I end up tapping the pedal probably on every drive. This includes cases with stop lines and yields such as a local residential intersections with foliage, fences, parked cars that 12.3.6 consistently...

This person claims 2024.9.5 / 12.4 is pretty unusable with regressions for even staying in lane: Perhaps the release was a "quick fix" to meet the goal of having something with the fresh retrained 12.4.x models deployed by the end of week. Autopilot team probably knew it wasn't ready for wider...

I tested out various similar scenarios this morning with 12.3.6, and they were all safe while still also doing what I would expect most of the time. Your situation of needing to hit the brakes was because there was actual cross traffic to avoid or that it wasn't completing a full stop? If it was...

Interesting that the remedy was to remove TACC fallback as opposed to keeping Autosteer active to address "Inadvertent Steering Override" where potentially there were cases the driver expected Autosteer to continue. I understand there's complications and different types of mode confusion in...

Seems to be yes but unclear what's the current success rate for correctly responding to painted turn arrows, lane use control signs, other signs like no-right-on-red or right-lane-must-turn or more broadly any visual information including hand signals or face/body orientation, etc. Presumably...

These are neural networks and especially with 12.x end-to-end, you need to think about things as probabilities more than is something supported or not. Even with 11.x visualizations rendering painted lane turn arrows, these can be missing or predicted as the wrong type, e.g., straight/turn vs...

Yeah, the navigation / map data can include lane information and is shown for upcoming turns, but there's a lot of lane information that isn't shown that 11.x definitely relied heavily on to avoid upcoming turn lanes and incorrectly got out of lanes because of incomplete map data making 11.x...

Tesla most likely does poll the entire fleet potentially even those in Europe with FSD 12.3.6 included in the software but not exposed to the driver to activate. It depends very much on the type of data Tesla needs to collect as some might want active usage of FSD Supervised to find...

Depends on what you mean by equally correct. If it's taking either of 2 turn lanes that are empty with no need for upcoming maneuver, e.g., subsequent turn, it could learn what humans tend to do in picking whichever lane is "easy" (could depend on the road layout), so there is still some...

According to TeslaFi stats, US vehicles with HW3/4 are pretty aggressively moving off of 2024.8.9 to 2024.14.8. There's currently only 60 vehicles left on that service in US with HW3 with 16 other countries with more HW3 vehicles. Looks like there needed to be some update to their automatic FSD...

As in the mileage rate will decrease as people stop using FSD free trial? Even without Tesla doing anything special, the mileage numbers will still go up presumably faster than before 12.x as there's more vehicles purchasing or subscribing FSD Capability in addition to the improved capabilities...

There doesn't necessarily need to be an explicit plan that is shared with subsequent predictions. At 25:10, 12.4 needed to stay in the left of 3 forked lanes to continue straight. (The left lane before the intersection forks to 2 left-turn lanes and the current/right lane forks to a straight and...

From 13:37 leaving the parking lot and immediate adjusting the set speed, it seems like there was no nag for 5 minutes before getting onto the freeway. This included waiting at traffic lights where pre-vision monitoring would be especially naggy when resuming from a red light. It seems like...

Anybody else use 12.x significantly more than 11.x in construction areas? There's still room for improvement, but I think it should be one area where people can agree end-to-end drives much more smoothly and correctly. Today I had two different intersections where the approach for the right turn...

Although as a counterexample for the software version showing FSD Beta or not, it seems like 2022.8.10.20 switched back to just "v11.0" even though I would guess it was still FSD Beta 10.69.3.3 (i.e., not single stack highway v11): But 2022.8.10.15 did still show it as FSD Beta 10.69.3.3:

Could you clarify what you mean by "fsd beta is active" ? Does the visualization display yellow center line or red road edges, and does it make turns on city streets to follow navigation? Or maybe it responds to stop signs and traffic lights without turning? If you copied over "v11.0 (2022…")...

Do you bring this up in the context of 12.x because it can be better than 11.x in stop-and-go traffic? I took the shorter route today even though it required sitting through 4 cycles to get through 1 traffic light to test out 12.x stopping behavior as others moved up and pulled out to make a...

Indeed the new Autopark isn't available yet outside of US/Canada, but both 2024.14.6 and 2024.14.7 include the new Park Assist for MCU3 / AMD Ryzen vehicles with a choice of USS or Vision worldwide. Here's a report from Australia after installing 2024.14.7 with screenshots of USS and Vision park...

Lots of upload after 12.3.6 curbing when making a right turn at a stop sign: (Although I wouldn't trust Google Home/WiFi usage numbers from the current day… but previous timeframes are more what I would expect for FSD uploads: 7 days with 534GB and 30 days with 1478GB.)

I would think this is purely a UI heuristic for the driver as the map/navigation data can know about the lanes from the very beginning even before a destination is set. I've even noticed inconsistency in the UI where center screen shows lane hints when it's strictly less than 0.5mi (i.e., UI...

It's possible. Here's an example of someone who was on 2024.2.7 and cleared the pending install of 2024.8.4 via service menu then 2 days later received 2024.3.10 instead to get 12.3.3.

The localized data is much more reasonable to look at in the context of FSD. Even though most vehicles using TeslaFi are from US/Canada, they're behind Germany and UK when looking at 2024.8.9 vehicle counts by country. While the current 4,954 total count / 24.8% of fleet is worldwide, focusing...

Looks like 2024.14.7 is starting to roll out wider primarily going to those already on 2024.14.6, so that makes it seem like there was some urgent bug to fix for those already on that version and why the update was proactively pulled from vehicles that had 2024.14.6 pending...

Or the opposite behavior of staying on an older version such as earlier this year with 2024.2.x "missing" the update to 2024.8.x which had the fortunate behavior of allowing updates to 2024.3.x instead of waiting for 2024.14.x to get FSD 12.3.x. Although Elon Musk suggests this split in...

Seems like the tech is wrong in that there are MCU1 vehicles with FSD Beta 10.x and that the Infotainment Upgrade should be $1,750 now that you have AP3 computer. There is a slight hope that the slow visualizations is not as big of an issue with FSD Supervised 12.x given that people have...

Based on those who use TeslaFi service, there's around 80 S/X Refresh in the US on 2024.14.6 and 1 on 2024.14.7, which only started rolling out today. Perhaps you haven't gotten any 12.x yet because Tesla determined there was some issue with 12.3.6 from the previous rollout when updating it to...

The initial rollout of 12.x to the public was special in that it was by state probably to be extra cautious with the new architecture. It started with California then some states like North/South Carolina and Texas. Potentially it'll go back to 10.x/11.x rollout behavior without the state...

Interesting that TeslaInfo has not detected 2024.9.5 as it usually had 2 employee vehicles getting internal deployments of early 12.x. Tesla 2024.9.5 Release Notes Tessie software tracker did detect this version presumably on 1 vehicle to get the release notes 2024.9.5 Release Notes & Statistics

Oh interesting, thanks. I must have seen too many HW1 threads about MCU2 upgrade. (I suppose this is why the infortainment upgrade is discounted for those already with HW3.)

Could be HW3 computer was installed as part of MCU2 upgrade (not usual). You can check your current Autopilot Computer from the vehicle Software screen. Does it say Full self-driving computer?

What sites are you checking and where are you looking? Both TeslaFi and Teslascope show quite a few S/X Refresh/Plaid with HW3 in US/Canada getting 2024.14.6 / 12.3.6.

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/7303764/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/7719406/ https://www.instagram.com/debossmotors/p/C5XDrGNPFCN/?img_index=10 Since 2022.8.10.10, there's been 2022.8.10.15 and 2022.8.10.20 (includes Telltale Text Size recall).

You have HW2.5, and Tesla's support page says the upgrade should be $1000 for those who did not purchase FSD Capability. Not sure what that $2k+ price is for, but indeed it seems likely the free trial will only be for HW3+.

This article Watch Tesla FSD Save the Day in Moldova, It Should Work Perfectly on European Roads - autoevolution says it's a US salvage Model Y brought to Moldova and also used FSD 12.x in Romania too.

Tesla's usage of intervention seems to include braking and steering and not necessarily how we use it here to focus on accelerator, turn signal, etc. (…although confusingly/consistently, our "intervention" usage doesn't result in "Autopilot Disengaged. What Happened?" voice note message.) E.g...

Depends on the highway. Interstates are likely 11.x, but US101 sometimes has at-grade crossings that is treated as city streets so 12.x. If you have Automatic Set Speed Offset enabled, check for "AUTO" to confirm it's 12.x as it'll switch to numeric set speed with 11.x. Additionally, 11.x will...

Yeah, curious if Tesla treats parking lots separately similar to how highways seem to have been intentionally separate as the 12.x behaviors so far for both those situations do seem worse than regular city streets, e.g., wrong turns inside/out-of parking lots and speed/lane control at higher...

What vehicle software version are you on? You might be able to enter "service" mode from the Controls > Software screen then view each camera type by tapping each dot. Old HW2 cameras are RCCC while newer HW2.5/3 are RCCB.

5x-10x miles per intervention improvement from 12.3 to 12.4 with a similar "major" improvement going to 12.5? I wonder what the improvement was from 11.x to 12.x so far although that's a bit mixed with 11.x having a lot more highway miles and 12.5 theoretically restoring that functionality (as...

TeslaFi is showing 12.3.6 is newly going to vehicles outside of US/Canada as part of 2024.14.6. Tesla should be able to better evaluate how 12.x might behave in other countries with the end-to-end neural networks already available in vehicles. Potentially people will be able to see if there's...

You have a good model to get 2024.14.x as so far those versions have only gone to AMD / MCU3. For the vehicles that use TeslaFi service, so far there's been 8 S/X all 2023 that have installed 2024.14.6 whereas there's still 156 S/X Refresh/Plaid in the US waiting on 2024.8.9. So roughly it's a...

You should verify what infotainment / MCU you currently have (Software -> Additional Vehicle Information) as that will significantly impact how soon you might get FSD. Model S/X switched from Nvidia / MCU1 to Intel / MCU2 March 2018, and very few vehicles with MCU1 have gotten FSD Beta 10.69...

Did Tesla specifically focus on improving 12.x hand signals or it comes from general improvement from 12.3 disengagements? If more of the latter, should we expect some questionable corner case 12.3 behaviors to have big improvements in 12.4?

Do people's app show FSD Supervised version? Maybe my app is outdated or the vehicle needs to be on a version newer than 2024.3.25?

Yeah, people got a 1 month trial starting from receiving a version with 12.x. TeslaInfo release notes for 2024.14.5 includes FSD Supervised 12.3.6, so those on 2024.8.x should be able to get that when it's rolling out.

TeslaInfo release notes for 2024.14.5 from a Model S indicates it has 12.3.6. Whereas the notes for same version but Model Y built in Berlin shows it's getting Tesla Vision Park Assist (for those with USS). The former is a US vehicle while the latter is in DE, so hopefully good news worldwide...

I would guess 12.4 is fine-tuning from 12.3 failures whereas 12.3 was mostly refining from 11.x failures, and these earlier 12.0-12.4 were built on some base foundation understanding that needed to go through various iterations of training and fixing regressions before a new version like 12.4 is...

Those notes and example are probably from Intel Model 3/Y. So far the new Autopark with 12.3.6 is only available for landscape screen vehicles (including new S/X where Autopark visualization shows in the instrument panel). Hopefully legacy S/X with HW3 will get this soon. Perhaps the separate...

TeslaFi shows a bump of around 500 more vehicles pending 2024.3.25 primarily adding S/X. Anybody with vertical screen newly getting 12.3.6? Do the release notes include Autopark? Yesterday's rollout only went to about 50 legacy S/X.

Tesla could maybe downgrade those on 2024.3.x with FSD Supervised 12.x back to FSD Beta 11.4.9 on say 2024.8.x, but it would probably be disappointing or even dangerous for those who do end up subscribing expecting what they experienced during the trial. Tesla seems to avoid this reverting...