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interesting, clearly tesla is underrating them today.

Based on all this information, i think them changing the front motor from induction to PM may be even easier than suggested.

The EPA documents in the video show the power ratings of the motors 131kW front motor (176hp) 190 or 195kW rear motor (255-261hp) - I couldn't tell which one goes to performance model Total of 431-437hp

MORE POWER #1 less interior road noise Better/adaptive suspension

Agreed, but the motors are drop in replacements. It means no real changes to the manufacturing line but much higher performance with the LR Model S motors.

Do you think Tesla would upgrade the performance version? Seems plausible and quite easy

This is great news... but it will need to be revised again soon. If the roadster ever makes it out or if Dodge follows through on its "eMuscle car" I think 8 second range is where many of these performance electric vehicles will end up. There really isn't a tradeoff to having a higher power...

Guys... the Ford Raptor has a top speed of 107mph Also, Ford realized it needs to develop its own EVs if it wants to survive. The Rivian play was their "easy button" to not distract the main Ford team from their regular ICE work... Then they realized "whoops, we should probably do that too"...

Agreed. For my use case, I will tow maybe 2x per year at most so that won’t be a huge factor.

The review seemed fine to me... They highlighted some major reasons that the Tesla was better. Every writer has some artistic liberty as long as it is his perception and not blatantly false. MYP ride is kinda rough... really needs air suspension (this is my opinion) Some people don't like...

So the article states at the very end, tesla's have 1 fire for every 205 Million vehicle miles traveled. That statistic doesn't mean anything to the average person. So looking at the tesla report they referenced, it also states ICE vehicles have a fire every 19 Million vehicle miles traveled...

100% agree.. Any certified electrician can do the work. It is not hard.

I think you made a great point, actual hardcore off roading is only for a very small section of the population. The "image" of hardcore off roading appeals to a much larger audience. Glad to hear your experience with the Model Y, i too love my model 3 and would not go back to ICE. With all...

In my original post, the price difference is only around $4k given the tax credit. I was surprised by it being so close

I think this thread has helped me figure out new ways to be conflicted... lol Best thing on my side is time. With Tesla continuing to raise prices and Rivian's unclear production timeline... I think this will need to be re-visited 6-12 months from now for better clarity. I miss the days...

As others have said... the R1S will be thirsty! Also with the 11kW on board charger it maxes out at 25 miles or range per hour vs my model 3 doing 45 with that same power. It would effectively be like driving 2 model 3s in terms of power usage. But if i was in the market for a range rover...

My great great grandchild will inherit my reservation

Lol, my wife would leave me if I got her the cybertruck

For me, the extra room isn’t that relevant, it’s nice to have but Y is sufficient and R1S is a bonus

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yeah, that is a good point, i only put my reservation in a little while ago. I am towards the end of the line. With all the other companies coming out with EVs soon maybe there will be another interesting option. The downside I see from many of the legacy OEMs is that they limit the...

This is a good way of putting it. The price difference was a lot smaller than I thought because Rivian still gets the tax credit, that's why I even started considering the R1S. If congress changes the tax credit rules.. that would throw another wrench into the works. I have ruled out the CT...

The supercharger network is a huge factor, It may be one of the biggest deciding factors. I love the reliability and convenience of road tripping in my Model 3

Yeah, i have FSD Beta on my Model 3, not sure I'd spend the money on it again. However, It's great when it's not actively trying to murder me.

yeah, no issues with that. I also agree purchasing the keyfob would be a great idea.

So I was planning to get a Model Y Performance for my wife, then I went down the rabbit hole of looking into Rivian R1S. Now I am conflicted.. The reviews of the R1T are very good so far Model Y Performance Smaller / easier to park / less storage runs 11's in the 1/4 More efficient than...

Yes, white looks best #facts

Have you considered the new Long range model S? it is nearly the same acceleration as a 2020 performance (slightly slower 0-60, but 1/4mile trap speed is much higher). the new Long range would be faster at highway speeds. Only issue would be timing.

This is exactly why Tesla has a lot of engineers :) However, the simple answer is that most aftermarket wheels/tires will increase the road load in an effort to extract the best traction. The tire companies and automotive OEMs don't offer enough information for us to do the exact calculations...

The difference between the wheels should be pretty similar for the LR version as well. I’m not sure of the wheel widths on the LR though. Are they narrower than the Plaid?

This is a bit of a technical deep dive (warning) but if you are interested to know how much efficiency and power difference there is between 19" Tempest and 21" Arachnids, this will show it.

A new installment

Thanks! i 100% agree, not trying to beg for subscribers, I'll probably never get to the level to make anything off of these videos so I'm not quitting my day job. :cool: I just figured this was the right audience that shares my interest in the technical details, I found it quite fun to discover...

I created a video that goes into depth about the Plaid torque curve and shows how it compares to the Dodge Demon and C8 Corvette

Tire limits are certainly one of the limiting factors. I also think Aerodynamics may have a decent impact as well. It would be interesting to see what speed this car would be drag limited….

I could see Elon doing something like this as a surprise. Seems like the Powertrain is capable but Aero, tires, etc… is still TBD

0-60: 4.2 --> 3.7 1/4 mile: 12.3 -->11.8 I think there are many videos and results in this thread that can show details

Acceleration boost makes life too easy at the drag strip...

I took my car back to the drag strip, made a few good runs

I'm in Michigan. car works great. Get winter tires for improved "greatness" I don't change settings, lube anything, etc.. Just take it through a touchless carwash to clean off salt.

I have 19s and my best so far is 11.82 @117.92 I shared a video a while back on this. To me, i think there are more factors than just the wheels that cause that gap.

It won’t help anything. If you are having some trouble accelerating, just make sure you turn off the obstacle aware acceleration setting, I have had that slow me up occasionally. It’s probably not your issue, but sharing just in case.

the 60ft is really where the Performance version gets ahead of the LR + Boost models. I am running 1.91 60ft times, I would love some 1.7s The Plaid model S is in the 1.5x range, so I don’t expect you’ll see that without a new powertrain upgrade

Makes sense, also I did not go back to the first post in the thread as my post was merged into this one. Also, could I make a request? If we are going to do master threads, can we have a separation of "Track racing" and "drag racing" videos? i.e. two different master threads. They have...

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I love how the mods move everything into a master thread so no one can ever find it…

Does anyone else have some Model 3+ Acceleration boost drag strip videos? I think my times are right in the middle of the other ones I have been able to find.

I just throw mine on the dash when I’m going through the tolls, it has been fine for a number of years. I don’t use it that often though. I have never heard of mounting them on the outside of the car..