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Question on used Tesla sales from official Tesla website under $25,000 : If I buy a 2019 Tesla Model 3 for $22,000 *from Tesla official website directly* and there is no extra delivery fee, and I meet the income limits, then will the $4,000 federal used EV tax credit be directly applied by Tesla...

My guess is probably the same schedule for the 3 Highland but delayed by one year. China orders in September and deliveries in Q4, USA orders in January 2025 and deliveries in March. The Y is the #1 most important vehicle for Tesla. The short answer is Yes. But you should order the current Y...

Yes, I owned Model 3 LR RWD for 5 years, and test drove Model 3 Highland RWD for 40 mins. On that one, the quiet cabin at highway speeds reminded me of my old Lexus. I also have tons of driving experience with Xs, plus various rented and loaner Ys and Ss and 3s.

P90D X is awesome, mine has 90K miles on it. I love the windshield view, the speed and power, the FSD, and the large cargo space. But you shouldn't buy a P90D. You should buy a P100D with higher miles instead. There are a lot of issues with P90D X: - Range is low (225 EPA miles on 7 year old...

P90D X originally had 250 miles of range 8 years ago. Currently they have around 220 to 225 miles fully charged, so 180 miles at 80% is correct. The biggest issue is the battery and motors warranty being expired, those replacements are super expensive. Maybe a 2018 model is better, and will...

The main things I'm looking for in the Juniper Y compared to the current 2024 Y are all the same things found in the Highland Model 3: - More comfortable suspension. Current Y has a rough ride on bumpy city streets, although it's fine on smooth suburban streets and highways. - Quieter cabin at...

All the Teslas except Model S qualify for the Federal EV tax credit, even the Cybertruck will get an $80K price and qualify. For sedans the MSRP limit is $55K. Would the following be possible? Tesla Model S RWD for $55K ($48K after federal EV tax credit) 290 mile range with much smaller...

I think a U.S. Juniper Y launch in the next 6 months is likely, due to the fact that the Model 3 and Model Y have always shared over 50% of their parts. The parts suppliers for the Highland 3 have been in mass production for over 6 months now in Asia and now the U.S., so Tesla could migrate the...

I'm interested in a Model Y with a slightly nicer interior, 2nd row touchscreen for kids, and quiet cabin at highway speeds (like a Lexus). The Model 3 Highland that I test drove has all of these features today. I assume the Y refresh (Juniper) will have the same changes and likely more. Does...

My feeling on the future of the X : Tesla only builds the S/X for sentimental reasons now. As soon as the company is in a tough financial position they will completely cancel the S/X program and lay off those employees. 95% of sales are 3/Y and the company focus is now autonomy and robotaxi...

I'm the OP. Yeah, back in July 2023 my crystal ball was working great. The prophecy has been fulfilled, not in January 2024 but in April 2024. Close enough. Excited that you can now order any color X except red and get the tax credit with black interior. Or you can order a gray X with any...

Leasing non-EVs : Bad financial idea. Better to just buy and sell later. Leasing an EV: Great idea. 1) Get the $7500 tax credit free money now, then get another $7500 tax credit free money in 2 years on your next lease. This federal tax credit is why the Tesla payments are so cheap. After...

Here is my thought process on this: - I'm pretty sure that the larger tire load requirements for the rear tires are only due to towing. - I don't tow anything, and my 2016 X P90D doesn't even have the towing enabled. So therefore I can sell my 2 rear wheels (which are wider than the front...

My 2 cents: I think you will be happier with the Cybertruck, it's a smoother more solid vehicle with newest tech, easy steering, loads of space. Our Xs were designed in 2013 and still have half-shaft problems, doors operate strangely, and the car feels like it's flexing on speed bumps and...

Two points to make: 1) 2023 Model 3 range is computed with old EPA rules (not stringent). But 2024 Model Y Highland range is computed with new stringent EPA rules. Real-world driving tests from Youtubers are showing 10 percent higher range, more than the 8 miles improved in the EPA numbers...

2022 and earlier : There are ultrasonic sensors. The door senses objects nearby and only opens wide enough to NOT hit things. It works pretty well overall, even in tight squeeze. It will open just a little bit in tight squeeze. Also, when it's raining and I'm carrying large things in both...

Rear axle inner tire wear - I don't think that is fixed. And another problem is that the Refresh X defaults you to drive in "Low" suspension mode now, there is no way to permanently keep the car in "standard" suspension height anymore. This will eat up rear tires. Front axle half shafts issue...

Tesla is currently redesigning Model 3 Performance and likely about to enter production with new seats, maybe plaid motors. Isn't it possible that Tesla has stopped production of Model Y Performance and selling all the inventory to prepare for a new Model Y Performance starting production in...

I drove the Model 3 Highland base model today in Burbank CA, and I used to own and drive 2018 Model 3 LR RWD for 4 years. OVERALL DRIVING IMPRESSION: The car drives AWESOME. Equally as good as Legacy Model 3. It's so fun. Handling and responsiveness are VERY good. A bit slow 0 to 20mph...

FINAL SCORECARD: Prediction to launch this thread in July was made when Model X base price was $98K USD. Prediction was that Tesla will drop base price of X to $78K to qualify for federal tax credit and enable multiple paint colors to fit in under the $80K price. Tesla eventually dropped the...

Here are my impressions of the Model X Dual Motor (likely 2023 model) based on my 40-minute Jan2024 test drive, suspension set to comfort mode and standard height. This new X was a Dual-motor with Ultra Red paint, 22-inch wheels, tan interior, 5-seater. My daily driver is 2016 Model X P90D...

OP here. This thread is about pricing predictions for Model X. Here are my current guesses: - Tesla wants to keep the $7500 EV tax credit, especially point-of-sale. So prices will NOT go up higher than $80K on X base model with base paint. - Tesla raised the non-gray paint prices to slow...

As of 530PM Pacific time today, Tesla is now charging $$$ for all colors except stealth grey, which means model X MSRP is over $80K for all other paint colors. My instinct is telling me that a $5K price drop is imminent now.

Translation for those wondering about 2016 Teslas : Xcare EV will no longer sell a warranty for the high-voltage battery for any 2016 Tesla vehicle.

I'm the OP. When I started this thread, Model X sold for around $98K in the U.S. Now it costs $80K. My instincts are telling me that this coming weekend, we will see price adjustments across S,3,X,Y, and the Model X price will be reduced below $78K so that they can sell more interior upgrades...

Compared to late-2016 P90D X the 2022 Long Range X has 5.5 more years of battery and motors warranty, 100 miles more range, faster charging, similar 0 to 60 time, better screen, plus 2.5 years of bumper-to-bumper warranty. Plus much higher resale value later. I don't know, maybe $20K? I'm not...

I have a 2016 Model X P90D Ludicrous with FSD Beta. It's awesome if you ignore the issues with warranty expiring and supercharging speed. Note that only Xs built after October 2016 have the cameras needed for FSD Beta. You will also need MCU2 (infotainment upgrade). Biggest drawback with a...

I also think that Tesla will change their U.S. battery packs by mid-2024 to qualify for the full $7500 on all 3/Y. This will likely be a combination of 4680 Cyber-cell from Texas for Model Y Austin, and 2170 from Nevada for 3/Y. The 2170 cells and packs are manufactured in Nevada by Panasonic...

If you had charging at home : you could get the Standard Range. If you DON'T have charging at home, then get the Long Range. Mainly because the charging speed is much faster. Also you get higher total range, WAY faster acceleration, better performance in snow, higher resale value. But the...

Actually, I don’t think it’s well understood that non Teslas will only be able to charge at around half of the Supercharger stations when the network opens up next year, they committed to 12,000 ports. Look into it. Tesla is nearing 20,000 already. The congested stations will only allow Teslas...

Yes I agree, the upgrades are massive, which is why I made sure to point them out. But Refresh would probably be $90K after CA sales tax with NO FSD, and wait for tax credit later. $103K with FSD, and my trade in might be worth $33K in a quick sale. So I can't afford the Refresh, and even if...

Here are some things I would miss if I traded my P90D X for a 2023 or newer model: 1) FSD. I use it all the time and it's too expensive to buy or subscribe to on new models. I had full set of newer cameras installed last year for free. 2) No Eye tracking on autopilot/FSD - Eye tracking nags...

My 2 cents: - Tesla only builds the Model X for "sentimental reasons". The X is no longer important to the Tesla mission at all. Tiny percentage of sales, complex vehicle to build and service. - Tesla will NOT be redesigning the X or changing the doors in any way. The current X is the final...

Yes, my prediction is another $2000 drop in Model X price by December. Detailed predictions: - Inventory of Xs will keep rising due to economic slowdown and interest rates staying high and Model Y being a great car for way cheaper. - Tesla orders and secures more materials for the 3rd row...

Yes, I predict in mid January the X will cost $78k. Tesla will be able to use the same trick of fleetwide averaging that enables the model 3 with Chinese LFP battery to qualify for the $7,500 tax credit. In January the tax credit will be point of sale, so you get the money immediately. And since...

I'm definitely getting the 5 seater on my next X

The federal EV tax credit applies to all SUVs priced under $80K. So if the Model X price is reduced to $80K including all paint/hardware options (so likely $78K base model) then it will qualify. The LFP battery packs do cost much less than nickel-based lithium ion 18650 and 2170 packs. If...

Agreed. But here is what DOES have a great value proposition: A Refresh SR Model X with HW4 sold for $80K ($72,500 or $76,250 after federal tax credit ), with 269 mile range, using CATL M3P LFP battery packs. The Tesla factories are already likely upgrading the Highland Model 3 to this LFP...

Hello all. Am I the only one who thinks the new S and X Standard Range have a totally different battery pack? Maybe using 4680 batteries or LFP batteries. Option1 - SR S and X are using same battery as LR/Plaid, but it's software limited. Option2 - SR S and X are using 4680 batteries. Option3...

#1 (screen issues) can be fixed for $2500, and will include big infotainment upgrade to faster MCU2 if you don't already have that. #2 (falcon doors) could possibly be a major issue. I would pass on the purchase because of #2 alone. #3 (roof rubber) is a non-issue, just cosmetic. Pretty rare...

Good catch. 3 and Y use 2170 while S and X use 18650 cells. But I think lithium and battery pack prices are going lower now, since a few months ago. It's was discussed in the earnings call.

Just looked at new Model X inventory, and there are brand new Xs (not demo models) selling for $88,990. There are at least 600 new unsold Xs in inventory. I'm using the website ev-cpo dot com to look at new inventory. I'm still predicting a $78K base price in January, so that inventory will...

I predict Model X 5-seater will be priced at $78K in January 2024. My reasons: 1) Federal EV tax credit enables SUVs priced under $80K to get $7500 discount. And starting January 1st, this will be a point-of-sale discount, given upfront. 2) Model X Long Range was already priced at $80K from...

I bought a 2016 X with 22s, and swapped them for 20s back in 2021. Here is my experience : - Worked fine, go ahead and get the 20s but make sure the new wheels have TPMS sensors, or pay somebody to transfer the TPMS from the 22s to 20s. - No real difference in efficiency or range or comfort...

My daily driver is a 2016 Model X P90D. Note that when Mayer said in post #7 "I was unaware early Xs had no regenerative braking " , that statement is incorrect. Regen braking is strong at all speeds above 5mph. But you do need the brake pedal under 5mph because regen disappears. My P90D X...

Do you want the Full Self Driving software? This is normally $15K. If you want this, then buy a used Tesla Model Y LR from the Tesla website that already comes with acceleration boost and full self driving software (a $17K value). If you don't care about FSD, then buy a new Tesla from current...

Update : ALL Tesla Model Y now qualify for the federal EV tax credit, no matter what the configuration or Options. This hit the official IRS website today. MSRP limit is now $80K for all Tesla model Y. A Reuters news report said that this will be retroactive back to January 1st. Wow. Also -...

Looks like you got the lowering links, the camber arms, and the toe arms (Alignment Kit 1). Can you let me know: - Are your suspension settings now set to Standard suspension height, or Low suspension height? - If the car is lowered compared to stock height and there is less suspension travel...

Maybe June 2023 pricing will be : Model Y Performance : Drop by $3K to $54K to quality for EV tax credit with at least 3 exterior colors. Using 2170 packs. Model Y LR dual-motor : Drop by $3K to $50K, discontinue version with 2170 packs. Instead built with new version of 4680 being...

Model Y Performance price will drop under $55K when Tesla feels that they have enough cells and manufacturing capacity to make the MYP in greater numbers. I predict it will happen in June. A $3K price drop would result in a $10K lower price for 90% of buyers because of federal EV tax credit...