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All good points. I've actually noticed an uptake in hitting the go pedal since I've always got ASSO enabled. I'm often hitting the go pedal - likely several times each trip - whether around town or a longer road trips - as FSD is still too timid/shy in many circumstances- especially when...

I suppose that's feasible - but it would require a certain level of network connectivity to allow remote control and camera displays coming from the robotaxi - I also have no idea about the legalities/approvals that may be involved for this type of thing.

There's already a FSD(Unsupervised) build in testing by Tesla - this is likely what will be officially announced on 8/8. My theory is that FSD(U)/FSDU will be the first L3 version. It won't be L4/L5. The manned robotaxi network will use the FSDU version - the driver is only there to take over...

I have used prior FSD versions as well - 11.x all the way up to 11.4.9 for quite a number of FSD miles last year, so I am comparing it against both the prior version and against the human driving element, at least for my part. That wasn't my point really - my point is - fresh perspective is...

Ah - that makes more sense! That's why we have emoticons as well! ;):cool:

I think it's worth pointing out that while past experience matters, it doesn't matter as much within the context of an entirely new FSD v12 build that was a complete rewrite from the ground up that uses a completely different AI end-to-end approach (at least for city streets) when compared to...

I'm on 2024.3.25 FSD 12.3.6 and I have Netflix - we just used it over the weekend in our 2023 MY LR while waiting in a parking lot for a concert venue to start letting folks in. So I'm in the early adopter FSD branch basically. Are you saying you don't have Netflix on the 2024.3.x branch? I'm...

In at least half of the cases - the right hand lane was free of traffic - that's why the aggressive driver behind me was passing both our car and the lead car ahead of me via the right lane.

Thanks. I may perform a camera recalibration this weekend before we leave for a long 600 mile each way two week road trip, during which I plan to use FSDS quite a bit to aid with driver fatigue. I did a camera recal when 12.x was first released earlier this year, but I'm certainly willing to...

Granted, maybe not illegal - but that same area also has a bike lane that forms once the right lane separates out - it may actually be a double line - I'll have to pay closer attention next time to be sure. Either way - point being - FSDS should not have moved into a lane ending in the first...

I've probably logged about 1000 miles using the various FSD v12 versions to date (started with 12.2.3, 12.3.2.1, 12.3.4, currently on 12.3.6). Local errands around town almost daily, along with several road trips consisting of 2-2.5 hours each way (115-140 miles each way). Here's what I've...

They can, just as V3 stalls can, but not by default. Its unlikely they will here in the US as long as the NACS standard agreements in place aren’t rescinded for any reason. The solution that almost all manufacturers are embracing is to provide DC adapters, which eliminates the need for Magic Dock.

Yes - they are Tesla stalls - what else would they use?

There is no detail provided in this regard really. BP has indicated a desire to acquire real estate for supercharging purposes. My guess is if Tesla wants to scale down direct production (installation) of new SC sites and also scale down operations (ongoing maintenance of those sites), then...

Well, electric utility companies are almost universally monopolies with almost no competition in comparison - which is basically price fixing by design - so I don't really see a downside to additional competition - at least for those states that have allowed for deregulation and at least some...

BP from the looks of it...

Tesla already confirmed project Juniper won't occur in 2024, and with the recent layoffs, I'd surmise the timeline has been pushed out further into 2025 at best.

This was from 2/1/2024 so it's a bit dated - but the data isn't far off from current valuations:

Precisely - likely anyone who is a TSLA investor knows that Elon holds roughly 12% of the outstanding share base at this time - he'd still have a share base in the low 20 percentile range had he not chosen to sell off a ton of shares to buy Twitter.

Yeah I just watched this video. It was painful to watch - he skips over so many overtly obvious topics that it's become blatantly obvious that Sandy has become a shill for Tesla. That's the only point I took away from this video. The early falsehoods posted by the bulls that the SC service...

^^^ this, coupled with the fact that the macro environment now is very much different than it was in 2019, the last time we saw major layoffs at Tesla performed in a similar manner. The fanboy base seems to be justifying this methodology as how Silicon Valley companies do these types of things...

I get that - in a previous post I all but said - do both. It's too risky to bet the entire business on a singular vision. Even if FSD were to somehow become L4/L5 capable next year - it will still take years for any robotaxi network to be built out and to replace personally owned and human...

Unless the issue with product demand is directly related to the fact that traditional consumers - your future customers since the early adopters have been saturated - won't buy your product unless and until the two primary blockers have been sufficiently remediated in the minds of those...

The reasons for slower growth have nothing to do with the Tesla team. Utilities don't move fast - never have and never will - since they are all highly regulated core infrastructure businesses where reliability is king - utilities could care less about innovation and moving fast. Tesla SC is...

I hear what you're saying and this is also my general observation as to what Musk is doing at Tesla. He's still running Tesla like a startup company in the early part of a disruption phase. To date, the vast majority of consumers who have bought Tesla's have been early adopters - divided up...

Well, considering he also fired Ho, who heads up all new vehicle product development, how sure are you that what he said on the investors call was actually true? Or is he just placating the skeptics as part of a bigger play to buy himself time on robotaxi? Only time will tell...

I don't see any reference to ongoing maintenance responsibilities in that JD. I see reference to product development, implementation (execution), for new products, programs and features in other words. Maintenance is typically handled by a separate set of teams. Not that the maintenance and...

Gotta love the circular logic in play there...

Context is king when it comes to understanding sea changes of this nature. Without context it is really difficult to understand the intent and the path forward. Unfortunately, without context, people generally tend to assume the worst - that's why providing context is important - it helps us...

At least from some of the X posts this morning - there are claims that the SC group that was cut was dev/planning/implementation only - there's a separate maintenance team that did not report up to Rebecca Tinucci. Not sure if this is accurate - since again - Tesla has no PR dept to validate...

So from a product management standpoint, the SC network is what is known as a competitive differentiator or a distinctive competency. Whether we want to realize it or not, MANY people bought Tesla's because of the SC network itself, not because they particularly love the vehicle itself. We...

That's not my point. I am fully aware that the J3400 CCS based SAE standard that is based on the NACS connector stands apart from the native NACS connector standard that Tesla has always used for their own vehicles. The reason that it took almost a year from the day of Ford's announcement...

Musk just had an investors call last week - he could have provided context for the upcoming layoffs then - to the investors in the company - but he did one of two things. Either he chose not to, or he actually didn't hatch these plans until this week. Neither seems like a good business...

Of course, this could all be resolved by simply having a small PR department - or not having asked Rohan to leave - and then firing his entire team today as well. Anyone that even remotely touches delivering a positive customer experience, by, you know, actually interacting with real Tesla...

IMHO it doesn't bode well. This "feels" like Musk cost cutting for the sake of cost cutting without proper due diligence. At risk are all, ALL, of the contracts signed over the past year from almost all major automotive manufacturers to switch over to the J3400 standard and to gain access to...

I noticed the same thing this weekend (12.3.4 FSD) on our MY. Even on Assertive - same thing. On the DC 495 beltway - following distance is way too conservative and has drivers going around us persistently - which itself produces more opportunity for accidents in heavy traffic. I ended up...

It's really hard to predict the future. Tony Seba studies market disruption for a living and, in general, once a new set of integrative technologies matures enough to disrupt an existing market - the transition generally occurs within 10-20 years. If we look back at the iPhone introduction in...

I think it remains to be seen whether Vision Only will provide enough "visibility" for autonomous vehicles - especially with edge cases in moderate to heavy inclement weather are taken into account. Even FSD v12.3.4 still complains a LOT during moderate to heavy rain for example - and on a few...

The Limiting Factor posted a lengthy video about this exact topic for anyone interested in consuming the content: Long story short, it won't be stainless steel. It'll be a painted surface and/or plastic exterior best estimate.

Given they also announced the start of the rideshare network using manned vehicles just like Uber/Lyft today, the more Tesla vehicles (as well as any third parties who buy the FSD licensing that was also discussed) will be on the road to support the supervised rideshare network until...

Yes - IME that audio warning tones are sometimes due to a momentary flash of "toll booth detected" on the screen - it only flashes very briefly - then disappears. Here's the kicker - there's no toll booth anywhere when this happens. Ironically, when actually approaching toll booths, I've yet...

Agreed - given Tesla is a $100bb+ company - and supposedly has some of the best engineering talent on the planet (so they claim repeatedly), it would seem to be to be feasible to do more than one thing at a time - and do it well. There's no good reason not to do both/and. Overall, as is...

Precisely, I made the exact same observation earlier in this thread. All of the Tesla robotaxi talk is just that, talk. Because there is not one single driverless Tesla vehicle certified to be on the roads today. Zero, not one. It's all theory, yet to be proven. Will we see a true driverless...

Musk has persistently indicated that unless FSD is materially better than human drivers - typically at least twice as safe and up to a 10x factor ideally - then it's unlikely FSD will take hold and it's unlikely that regulatory approvals will be granted for autonomous driving. It's not enough...

Rumor mill says the robotaxi will be using HW5 and will also use updated Tesla radar units (like HW4 does). As much as Musk maintains that FSD must be VO (Vision Only), for a true L4/L5 system, I highly doubt this will ever work because humans have inherent limitations and difficulties...

IMHO what we finally now have with FSD(s) is an official non-beta L2 ADAS system. The next goal should, in turn, logically, be an L3 ADAS system. Jumping up to L4/L5 is likely going to take several years - regardless of what anyone thinks/says. Whether it's due to regulatory hurdles, lawsuits...

I'm assuming your comment was in jest - but just in case it's not - SpaceX is a completely separate entity/company - with it's own distinct balance sheet and finances/funding. Tesla monies have no bearing on SpaceX in any way.

That's your software version - not your FSD version - if you click on the Release Notes - you'll see you have FSD 12.3.4 on 2024.3.15.

Yeah - I think they removed the stop sign/light beta function when using TACC unfortunately.