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Coincidentally I just completed a 4-day trip with Hankook iON evo summer tyres on Überturbines. I did 276 miles on 62kWh (83% battery). Over the last 830 miles on Hankooks I’ve averaged 225Wh/mi.

I’ve not yet done any highway trips since getting the Hankooks but in 830 miles of everyday driving the efficiency is quite noticeable.

Do we not think that Tesla have put the '24 M3P on a hub dyno and measured the mechanical horsepower with real-world SoC and cell temperature? e.g. 70% and 30C for 500hp.

The Pirelli tyres have an EU tyre label rating C for rolling resistance, which is very good. As a yardstick, a regular Michelin PS4S is D rated and the T0 version E rated. Range can very easily be reduced by 10%. Tesla fit Hankook iON EVO to the optional 19" wheels on the LR. These are B rated...

The LG pack cannot physically provide as much power as the Panasonic. No amount of software updating can overcome this.

They offered me £25,400 which seems quite a kick in the nuts when I see one year older M3P with the same mileage in certified pre-owned for £40k.

I had exactly the same problem before. Driving up the A1 the navigation was constantly instructing me to leave/join every exit because it thought the car was ~30m off the road. I saw a very confused looking Model Y driver at the side of the road coming the other way. I reported it to service and...

What Tesla is claiming is conservative* and both Panasonic and LG variants will already be uncorked - the previous M3Ps are. Jason Camissa's video confirmed that the '24 is now battery limited. *I think they've been forced to provide a HP spec with the '24 M3P because the previous method of...

Correct. The LG pack isn't capped (limited) like the Panasonic. It only makes 415kW at 100% SoC and 50C. You'll also see a 30kW/40hp difference between the Panasonic and LG at 50% SoC. Co-incidentally the difference between 500hp and 460hp.

When I bought mine outright in '22 the PCP quote had an optional final payment of £22k. I was sure it could never depreciate to this level in four years. It's now 2 years old. WBAC (comedy) valuation is £25k. WhatCar Private/Part-ex £27k. Tesla's last valuation was less than WBAC. Unless they...

They did, along with reverting to 'standard' ride height. It's still firm and not all that comfortable at slow speeds. Probably the single reason I would be interested in the '24 M3P when/if they put a better battery pack in it.

I won't buy another M3P whilst it has the same battery pack as the LR. It's such a significant, costly component that has a fundamental impact on performance, range and charging. Mine was bought when they were £10k more expensive and I was fine with this. If I had to go out and buy another...

The 4D2 rear motor in the M3P is 3% less efficient than the 3D1/3D7 in the LR and the wider rear tyres have greater rolling resistance.

They were already, since Q2/2022 but not being honest about the differences, or perhaps more generously the differences were not apparent from the stats that were provided at the time, so they didn't need to shout about it.

This has been discussed at length over on the speculation topic. The previous M3P would hit peak power of 430kW/585PS at 70-90km/h with the Panasonic battery and 415kW/564PS at 70km/h with the LG battery. Tesla rated the Panasonic car at 377kW/513PS by summing the front and rear motor power and...

The axis of the graphs have no scale, but by eye there is not a 20% increase in peak power. However it looks like a 20% increase in area under the curve. There is an increase in rear motor peak power, but what about the sum of front and rear motors? Twitter link seems to have been deleted! lol.

I'm fortunate to own a Q1/2022 M3P with the Panasonic battery and 3D6 rear motor. It's well known that the LG battery has 34HP less power and with this being the only drivetrain difference between US and UK/EU cars it has to be the reason for the 40HP lower power (in round numbers). The claims...

I watched it all the way through last night. It is a thoughtful review. He was most impressed with the ride and handling and very clearly articulated the limitations of the previous, passive system and how well the new active dampers work. This alone makes me curious to arrange a test-drive. We...

It says "Model 3 Performance's output is 510 hp and 547 lb-ft, and it comes with additional rear bias thanks to the more powerful 4th-generation rear motor. The last car would put 60 to 70% power to the rear, the new one is capable of sending 70 to 85% power to the rear at most times.The...

UK is 2.9s 0-60mph. [edited] You quoted my 2.7s figure before I corrected it to 2.9s.

I'm struggling to believe that the UK/EU variants are going to achieve 2.9s 0-60mph. Same goes for the claim that it's the "most powerful Model 3 ever". The US variants will be faster than before with the Panasonic battery and 4D2 motor.

"New Performance 4th gen drive unit can deliver: +22% continuous power +32% peak power +16% peak torque compared to previous Model 3 Performance". Which must be a comparison between the new 4D2 and old 3D1 motor, not between 4D2 and 3D6. The US cars are going to be faster!

I see that Germany get a measly 460hp and 3.1s 0-100kph.

£59,990 here. The most powerful Model 3 ever with 460hp? :confused: Just checked the US and there's only one reason I can think of for the extra 40hp!

Not in 235/35R20. The vanilla PS4S is D rated, and would make sense for the T0 version to be less efficient because it is wider. There's a significant difference between B and E rating.

Yes, it says "MADE IN HUNGARY" on the sidewall of the 235/35R20. At 11 o'clock in the picture below.

I think you are right. I looked again and there is what appears to be historical data, in date order in the source. There must have been a Performance model which had range of 329 miles and 0-60 of 3.2s in the past? :{"name":"Long Range All-Wheel Drive...

Also spotted 3.2 seconds in the source, adjacent to a different range number :oops: {"name":"Long Range All-Wheel Drive Performance","range":329,"topspeed":145,"overrides":[{"content":{"topspeed":162},"selected_by":{"and":["$SPT31"]}}],"acceleration":3.2}

There has never been any reference to power in the UK but the maximum, net power is given on the registration document. It was 377kW (513PS) for the 3L variant and 393kW (534PS) for the 5L variant. Already greater than 500hp.

Sure. I don’t believe I’ve achieved a 16% reduction in energy consumption from the tyres alone.

Possibly. I also used my local Protyre place and initially there was just one tyre in the warehouse, so none were delivered, despite four appearing to be available within 48hrs. They took another day to arrive from somewhere else. They are DOT market 0824 so have recently been manufactured (in...

You can still buy tyres that increase range and do 162 mph 👍

Ah yes, I did not realise this, thank you. TBH I based my decision more on the efficiency and noise ratings from the EU labels.

It might return M3Ps to a more normal depreciation curve, retaining greater than the PCP Optional Final Payment value (of around 40% of new) at 3-4 years old. Mine had tanked to 50% at 1 year old and Tesla offered 45% of new against a Highland LR. None of this was helped by Tesla selling nearly...

I've not found anything, but it's typically not tested in the tyre tests. However I don't think it will be an issue, for me at least. I would have exceeded 30k miles on the 280 tread wear rated Pirellis and I expect the Hankooks to last as long with the 320 tread wear rating.

After a few days of usage I'm still noticing that the Hankook iON evo are quieter than the outgoing Pirelli PZERO ELECT T0. Also not finding them lacking grip or handling; if anything they feel more responsive. Recent testing by TÜV SÜD and Auto Bild rated them above the Michelins.

How much power and how many G does your model show for (say) a real-world 3.3s 0-60? This would be another way of checking correlation.

I tend to agree with this from 0-70 km/h but between 70-100 km/h (when the 3D1/3D6 motor torque is falling and the power demand is greatest) and above 100 km/h (where the 4D2 power demand will be greatest) it's not so clear. These models are interesting, but they have their limits. The...

Yes, sorry I was being facetious. Lots of performance on the table then (as @Mash says) and the 265/275 section rears start to make sense.

I was thinking more about the other power, equal to volts x Amps and I'm amazed that it only takes 50kW/68PS to launch an M3P from standstill.

It's a little wider than a single dot but your point is very valid. One thing I don't understand is how @eivissa power curve starts at just 50 kW. Assuming that from standstill the motors are producing 100% torque. How much current does this need? Assuming 335 volts is supplied equals 150...

I did see that, thank you. Without understanding the assumptions and calculations behind this it's impossible to say if this is achievable. How does it model the torque curves of the motors? For example, your calculations show that a M3P Panasonic with 1.0G grip should already be achieving...

Michelin PS4s were my defacto choice but the Hankooks are two energy efficiency ratings (12%) and two noise ratings (3dB) better, which is particularly important for Performance EVs.

Are these of any use to someone here in UK? One pair Pirelli PZERO 235/35 R20 92Y T0 ELECT PNCS XL Tyres. 5mm even tread wear. No puncture repairs. DOT 2221.

Pleasantly surprised to see more performance oriented ratings of treadwear 320 and traction AA on the Hankook iON evo tyres I just had fitted. My first observation is OMG they're quiet!

It's a shame that the non-AS Hankook iON evo tyre is not available in North America. They have a treadwear rating of 320 and seem an excellent alternative to Pirelli PZERO ELECT. I just had a set fitted to my M3P. Immediately noticed how quiet they are.

Not at all. He said that "SOC is largely irrelevant for 0-60 mph until very low SOCs. However, battery and motor temperature are extremely important" and "With a hot battery you will gain about .1 seconds on your 40-60 mph time". His further posts referenced the detrimental effect that cooling...

Acceleration boost lifted the battery discharge power from 324kW to 366kW, which may not be significantly less than the available discharge power. Carwow are notorious for testing cars with ~50% SoC on a typically cold UK day, without any preparation, when the available power will be <400kW...

It absolutely is limiting (capping) performance and the performance envelope, as mpgxsvcd's post proves, particularly in the M3P which will sink all the power that the battery can source and from the UK/EU experience of the change to the LG 5L. How?

Yet others are claiming that the battery is not limiting performance. Yours is the full-fat, made in US, real-deal, Panasonic 3L too! ;)