FSD Beta v11.x

drtimhill · Jun 12, 2023

Ramphex said:
That works both ways for the good experiences and the bad experiences. Do I have some decent experiences with the Junk driving? Sure. Unfortunately, when it comes up to a 4 way intersection, turns on a right blinker, and goes straight across…. That is just not okay. Normal people do not do that. That sort of behavior will never earn a participation trophy from me and will instead contribute to me calling it…. Junk.

Actually you should call it "beta". And yeah, people DO sometimes do that kinda thing, you know what they are called? Student drivers. And guess what? We have non-student drivers to supervise them. Sound familiar?

Ramphex · Jun 12, 2023

Supcom said:
11.4.3 push going out.

Ramphex · Jun 12, 2023

drtimhill said:
Actually you should call it "beta". And yeah, people DO sometimes do that kinda thing, you know what they are called? Student drivers. And guess what? We have non-student drivers to supervise them. Sound familiar?

Are you saying that I can’t tell a student driver that he sucks…. Just because he’s a student?

Knightshade · Jun 12, 2023

Ramphex said:
I also never argued it being any sort of safety issue. I just posted a video and said it sucks. Just like if the painters half assed the paint job, I would say it sucks. Is it unsafe for me to live in a house that’s painted like crap with paint splatter, different shades in different areas, paint running down in multiple areas… no… but it doesn’t mean that the paint job is great and “does what it’s supposed to do”

Except in this case it DID do what it was supposed to do. Park the car safely and correctly. Which it did. It was just slower than you wanted. The actual task completely correctly.

So again you fail at analogy

Ramphex said:
. Just like the fact that “driving with FSD is safer”… TO ME… does NOT matter. It’s a useless trophy that YOU are willing to give it.

Fewer accidents and fewer deaths is a useless trophy that does not matter to you?

Which airline do you fly for again, so I know to avoid it?

EVNow · Jun 12, 2023

Ramphex said:
Unfortunately, when it comes up to a 4 way intersection, turns on a right blinker, and goes straight across…. That is just not okay.

You write as if this happens all the time. This has never happened to me in 18+ months.

The basic problem with #JunkTeam is that they highlight rare failures as if that happens 100% of the time. That is just FUD.

If you don't like it - don't use it. Infact I think less than 10% of FSD owners/subscribers use FSD regularly. But most of them are self-aware enough not to spend a lot of time here posting junk.

Ramphex · Jun 12, 2023

Knightshade said:
Except in this case it DID do what it was supposed to do. Park the car safely and correctly. Which it did. It was just slower than you wanted. The actual task completely correctly.

So again you fail at analogy

Fewer accidents and fewer deaths is a useless trophy that does not matter to you?

Which airline do you fly for again, so I know to avoid it?

Yea, I’m not going to get excited (moderator edit) if you tell me that turning on FSDj will make my drive 10% safer (while making it 50% more annoying/stressful). There has to be a balance. My driving is safe, and I’m confident in my driving. However I am NOT confident in FSDj’s driving, not in its current state.

Ramphex · Jun 12, 2023

EVNow said:
Zero.

If you don't like it don't use it.

Dad?

Ramphex · Jun 12, 2023

I’ll use it, and if I don’t like it, I’ll complain about it. If you don’t like my complaining, block me LOL

I’m not going to come here and only share positive experiences. Those are the lies that got me to buy this garbage in the first place.

Knightshade · Jun 12, 2023

Ramphex said:
Yea, I’m not going to get excited (moderator edit) if you tell me that turning on FSDj will make my drive 10% safer

Good news then! It actually makes it (on average) MUCH more than 10% safer...

FSD Beta users have 0.31 accidents per 1 million miles

Normal average human drivers have about 1.53 accidents per 1 million miles.

So FSD Beta makes drivers roughly 80 percent safer on average.

Ramphex · Jun 12, 2023

Knightshade said:
Good news then! It actually makes it (on average) MUCH more than 10% safer...

FSD Beta users have 0.31 accidents per 1 million miles

Normal average human drivers have about 1.53 accidents per 1 million miles.

So FSD Beta makes drivers roughly 80 percent safer on average.

Very good. My driving is safe 100% of the time, what’s 80% more of 100%?

totoro722 · Jun 12, 2023

Ramphex · Jun 12, 2023

EVNow said:
"I’m not going to come here and only share positive experiences."

Your poor comprehension skills are again on the show when you talk about "FSDPerfection" - when I'm the one always talking about 1 disengagement in 10 miles and needs to improve 100x to become on par with humans.

Yes, keep lying.

Why do I always find you complaining, about my complaining? Almost as if you just want to defend FSDj. Even when there are clear videos of it sucking.

jebinc · Jun 12, 2023

#TeamJunk Member 420 down installing Junk 11.3.4…

Knightshade · Jun 12, 2023

Ramphex said:
Very good. My driving is safe 100% of the time

Ramphex · Jun 12, 2023

Knightshade said:
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Considering I have 0 at fault accidents. How can you argue the statistics? Sounds like 100% to me.

Dennisis · Jun 12, 2023

Ramphex said:
How can you argue the statistics?

It is the British prime minister Benjamin Disraeli who is famously credited with the phrase: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics" but the expression has been around almost as long as the word statistics (first coined in 1749 for those wondering).

Low hanging fruit there

Ramphex · Jun 12, 2023

Dennisis said:
It is the British prime minister Benjamin Disraeli who is famously credited with the phrase: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics" but the expression has been around almost as long as the word statistics (first coined in 1749 for those wondering).

Low hanging fruit there

Well, if KS wants to use accident rate to justify safety, then my math maths.

drtimhill · Jun 12, 2023

Ramphex said:
Are you saying that I can’t tell a student driver that he sucks…. Just because he’s a student?

Well you clearly are not a teacher! Students make mistakes because they are students, and I'm not entirely certain that telling a student they suck is particularly constructive. If you find (say) a doctor who makes bad diagnoses then yeah, he sucks because he is (supposedly) qualified, but a 1st year medical student is still learning. FSD is still a student (beta), so of course it makes mistakes. Does that make it suck? or junk? No, it makes it beta.

Ramphex · Jun 12, 2023

drtimhill said:
Well you clearly are not a teacher! Students make mistakes because they are students, and I'm not entirely certain that telling a student they suck is particularly constructive. If you find (say) a doctor who makes bad diagnoses then yeah, he sucks because he is (supposedly) qualified, but a 1st year medical student is still learning. FSD is still a student (beta), so of course it makes mistakes. Does that make it suck? or junk? No, it makes it beta.

So what you are saying is there are no good students and bad students. Just students?

drtimhill · Jun 12, 2023

Ramphex said:
So what you are saying is there are no good students and bad students. Just students?

Read my post again, what I'm saying is there are no perfect students. What YOU seem to be saying is FSD is junk because it is not perfect.

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