Darryl
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If you have ever had to go to court over an IRS dispute the burden of proof is on the tax payer not IRS.
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Very important part which negates the flipping potential. I'd figure most people who'd want the 3 desperately enough to pay an all-in premium of 20% on top of retail would've already reserved as early as possible. And most people with early reservations because they waited in line or already own Teslas probably wouldn't let it go for a small premium. There might be a small handful of wacko East coasters who can't wait the extra 6-9 months, but I doubt it would be common.It comes down to intent. The IRS regulation says the car cannot be intended for resale to be eligible for the rebate. There is a big difference between keeping it for several months and then selling it. On the other hand if you purchased it, took delivery and the next day sold, it IRS could probably ligitably say you intended to sell you when you purchased it. Also the new buyer is not eligible for the rebate because the rebate are only available if you purchased it directly from the dealer/manufacturer. Because most state have a 6-8 percent sales tax you have to figure that into your flipping equation. There were several who purchaded Model X's to resale who were never able to sell it as Tesla is turning around orders for loaded cars very fast.
It comes down to intent. The IRS regulation says the car cannot be intended for resale to be eligible for the rebate. There is a big difference between keeping it for several months and then selling it. On the other hand if you purchased it, took delivery and the next day sold, it IRS could probably ligitably say you intended to sell you when you purchased it. Also the new buyer is not eligible for the rebate because the rebate are only available if you purchased it directly from the dealer/manufacturer. Because most state have a 6-8 percent sales tax you have to figure that into your flipping equation. There were several who purchaded Model X's to resale who were never able to sell it as Tesla is turning around orders for loaded cars very fast.
Just from seeing cases about reporting mileage, actually it would be best of luck to the owner. The burden of proof is typically on the owner, not the IRS, esp. when we are talking about deductions. The IRS doesn't have to demonstrate that there are no false positives, only that it is extremely plausible that you bought the car to resell (and selling off the next day for a sizable profit would be a very good sign).If it comes down to intent, then lots of luck to the IRS!
They would know when you report a capital gain from the sale (which you would have a gain if you are a flipper). If you are just selling off, you most likely would not have a gain (or would have a loss). Then if they ever do an audit, they would catch it something like this.Besides, I haven't looked at the forms recently, how would they even know that you sold it or when you sold it?
You aren't flipping if you didn't make a profit on it.Hopefully all this discussion doesn't apply to title transfer? for ex if I reserved for my brother who was out of the country, then when the vehicles are delivered we go to the DMV and have a title transfer for $0 (excluding fees), that's not totally abominable right?
just checking! was getting a bit nervous
Hopefully all this discussion doesn't apply to title transfer? for ex if I reserved for my brother who was out of the country, then when the vehicles are delivered we go to the DMV and have a title transfer for $0 (excluding fees), that's not totally abominable right?
If driven fast enough around a dangerous curve, would it even be possible to flip Model 3?
You aren't flipping if you didn't make a profit on it.
Hopefully all this discussion doesn't apply to title transfer? for ex if I reserved for my brother who was out of the country, then when the vehicles are delivered we go to the DMV and have a title transfer for $0 (excluding fees), that's not totally abominable right?
It isn't a judgement call (abominable). But according to these definitions, neither you or your brother would be allowed the tax credit.
You bought the car WITH the intention of reselling it. Reselling does NOT require a profit to occur.
Most definitions of it mention profit:Flipping something does not actual require a profit.
Hopefully all this discussion doesn't apply to title transfer? for ex if I reserved for my brother who was out of the country, then when the vehicles are delivered we go to the DMV and have a title transfer for $0 (excluding fees), that's not totally abominable right?