hamoneaster
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Correction: this 2.5m house is listed under his wife's name. They both own another 1m house 2 blocks from this residence.
Wow...yall really tryna stalk this dead man??
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Correction: this 2.5m house is listed under his wife's name. They both own another 1m house 2 blocks from this residence.
Of those scenarios, I'd vote for #1 as most likely. If it turns out the rear passenger was seatbelted in, then I'd go with #2.Too much fake and unprofessional "journalism" on this subject. Autopilot can't be made to accelerate like what was done, doesn't activate in my cars without painted lines, doesn't activate in my car if out of the seat, drives super slow to the point I usually help it get up to speed, can't go more than 5 over in this 35 mph zone, won't navigate a sharp turn at high speed, and the list goes on. The Fire Department has stated that the 4 hours and 30000+ gallons is a false statement. The police department should retract their statement and build in a hefty budget for making false statements about Autopilot and the fire that could be perceived as defamation. Even a 1% drop in Tesla stock would bankrupt the entire county/city likely. News outlets should be held accountable for poor reporting other than writing a footnote retraction, but we primarily have tabloids and reality TV news, not actual journalism any more. That's not to say some aren't doing amazing work. The new industry as a whole, however, looks like grocery store checkout trash.
This accident in my opinion was the result of:
1. Bad choices. Trying to accelerate too quickly and losing control the doctor slammed his car into a tree. Alcohol may have been involved in a "hold my beer and watch this moment." After wrecking, the driver couldn't get out of the car from the front door due to damage or the 12v failed. He then climbed into the back. Again due to damage or the 12 v system failing, and he didn't open the speaker panel to release the door manually due to injury, lack of knowledge, and/or time being short. This is likely what happened.
2. Another person was driving and did get out. It happens. They might have been intoxicated and feared manslaughter or homicide charges. They are roaming around with minor injuries as the cars are fairly safe. The other two were injured and just didn't make it out.
3. Idiocy and hacking. The doctor found some ridiculous work around to bypass all Autopilot safety mechanisms to show off the feature as it was never intended. Search history on his computer and phone will likely show where he got this idea if so and would be evidence as to what lengths the driver took to bypass all safety measures. Autopilot was involved but only due to a person intentionally misusing the product to a degree that is reckless endangerment of the life of his passenger. This would take quite the work around (installing a pre-2019 autopilot software before some of the safety measures were put in place or having a third party hack and damage the autopilot to activate it in his car for free, bypassing the weight sensors, tricking the speed limit, uping the acceleration, etc.). If this is found to be true, the passenger's family should sue the driver's estate for this unsafe and deliberate act that resulted in his horrific and firey death.
4. Foul play. Someone killed these men by drugging them, loading them in the car, stepping on both pedals (two pedal alert shows and the car won't move), lodging a block of ice on the accelerator, and then letting off the brake. Car burns. Ice evaporates/sublimates. It may have been family, a disgruntled person, a psychopath, or a short seller. This is less likely than 1-3 but more likely than this being an Autopilot event as reported by the news.
Those of course are just theories. I will await proper investigation to determine the facts. Two people have died. Their family deserves to know the actual cause here. Yes, this is absolutely terrible, but Autopilot did not do this.
Thank you for information! It is interesting who twisted the story, the police or the news. I could understand Herman, but if that was the news media - it is a new low of journalistic integrity perhaps after John M. Broder.I spoke to someone locally who is involved with the Township. They spoke to another representative of the Fire Department who confirmed what Palmer Buck said:
Fire was out quickly.
Car was doused for hours to contain flare ups and cool the smoldering wreckage.
Tesla was contacted to ask what to do with the wreckage of the battery from an environmental standpoint.
What's the emoji for "not even funny"Of those scenarios, I'd vote for #1 as most likely. If it turns out the rear passenger was seatbelted in, then I'd go with #2.
Although if Gordon Johnson was seen in the Woodlands area buying a block of ICE and getting into an ID.4, I'd lean toward #4.
All in all, it’s better to stalk a dead man than one whom is still alive. Don’t ask me how I know.Wow...yall really tryna stalk this dead man??
Wow...yall really tryna stalk this dead man??
Consumer Reports just posted a video of how it could have been done (not an S, though)....
CR Engineers Show a Tesla Will Drive With No One in the Driver's Seat
Amid speculation about the cause of a fatal crash in Texas, Consumer Reports put Tesla Autopilot to the test on our track without a driver behind the wheel. Our testing shows that a Tesla will drive with no one in the driver seat.www.consumerreports.org
Consumer Reports just posted a video of how it could have been done (not an S, though)....
CR Engineers Show a Tesla Will Drive With No One in the Driver's Seat
Amid speculation about the cause of a fatal crash in Texas, Consumer Reports put Tesla Autopilot to the test on our track without a driver behind the wheel. Our testing shows that a Tesla will drive with no one in the driver seat.www.consumerreports.org
Couldn't have been done in this case as the road had no lane lines and AP would not have ever initiated. But enlightening (and scary) nonetheless. Tesla needs to up their game with regard to driver monitoring. I really do hope that this video forces them to.
I'll say again, but scenario #2 seems the least likeliest to me. Mysterious 3rd guy guy crashes car. Survives relatively unscathed. Opens his door. Gets out. CLOSES DOOR BEHIND HIM. Leaves scene with his buddies (or marks?) either unconscious and/or trapped in burning car (again he closed the door when he left because that's what people normally do in accidents.....LOL!). Last Mystery Driver walks away and disappears into the ether. Oh, yeah the eyewitnesses (believe them or no) lied to police when they said only the driver and passenger were in the car before the two left. Did Mystery driver somehow sneak into the car in the seconds before the crash? Was Mystery driver Batman or a Ninja or something? What was this Ninja doing in the area? Possible, but seems random.Too much fake and unprofessional "journalism" on this subject. Autopilot can't be made to accelerate like what was done, doesn't activate in my cars without painted lines, doesn't activate in my car if out of the seat, drives super slow to the point I usually help it get up to speed, can't go more than 5 over in this 35 mph zone, won't navigate a sharp turn at high speed, and the list goes on. The Fire Department has stated that the 4 hours and 30000+ gallons is a false statement. The police department should retract their statement and build in a hefty budget for making false statements about Autopilot and the fire that could be perceived as defamation. Even a 1% drop in Tesla stock would bankrupt the entire county/city likely. News outlets should be held accountable for poor reporting other than writing a footnote retraction, but we primarily have tabloids and reality TV news, not actual journalism any more. That's not to say some aren't doing amazing work. The new industry as a whole, however, looks like grocery store checkout trash.
This accident in my opinion was the result of:
1. Bad choices. Trying to accelerate too quickly and losing control the doctor slammed his car into a tree. Alcohol may have been involved in a "hold my beer and watch this moment." After wrecking, the driver couldn't get out of the car from the front door due to damage or the 12v failed. He then climbed into the back. Again due to damage or the 12 v system failing, and he didn't open the speaker panel to release the door manually due to injury, lack of knowledge, and/or time being short. This is likely what happened.
2. Another person was driving and did get out. It happens. They might have been intoxicated and feared manslaughter or homicide charges. They are roaming around with minor injuries as the cars are fairly safe. The other two were injured and just didn't make it out.
3. Idiocy and hacking. The doctor found some ridiculous work around to bypass all Autopilot safety mechanisms to show off the feature as it was never intended. Search history on his computer and phone will likely show where he got this idea if so and would be evidence as to what lengths the driver took to bypass all safety measures. Autopilot was involved but only due to a person intentionally misusing the product to a degree that is reckless endangerment of the life of his passenger. This would take quite the work around (installing a pre-2019 autopilot software before some of the safety measures were put in place or having a third party hack and damage the autopilot to activate it in his car for free, bypassing the weight sensors, tricking the speed limit, uping the acceleration, etc.). If this is found to be true, the passenger's family should sue the driver's estate for this unsafe and deliberate act that resulted in his horrific and firey death.
4. Foul play. Someone killed these men by drugging them, loading them in the car, stepping on both pedals (two pedal alert shows and the car won't move), lodging a block of ice on the accelerator, and then letting off the brake. Car burns. Ice evaporates/sublimates. It may have been family, a disgruntled person, a psychopath, or a short seller. This is less likely than 1-3 but more likely than this being an Autopilot event as reported by the news.
Those of course are just theories. I will await proper investigation to determine the facts. Two people have died. Their family deserves to know the actual cause here. Yes, this is absolutely terrible, but Autopilot did not do this.
I wonder why wouldn't they try to trick similar systems in other cars, at least TACC? Ford, for example.at no time did speeds exceed 30mph.. so not quite. All they showed was if you stuffed a circus on your car you’d get a show.
at no time did speeds exceed 30mph.. so not quite. All they showed was if you stuffed a circus on your car you’d get a show.
As compared to any normal automatic transmission vehicle:Consumer Reports just posted a video of how it could have been done (not an S, though)....
CR Engineers Show a Tesla Will Drive With No One in the Driver's Seat
Amid speculation about the cause of a fatal crash in Texas, Consumer Reports put Tesla Autopilot to the test on our track without a driver behind the wheel. Our testing shows that a Tesla will drive with no one in the driver seat.www.consumerreports.org
dont forget to tie your belt on the steering wheel and secure it to the gear shift so it stays straightAs compared to any normal automatic transmission vehicle:
Open door
Stretch leg and place foot on brake
Reach in, start engine, and shift to any non-park gear (neutral bring the least interesting unless on a slope)
Remove yourself from vehicle and shut door (bonus points if you lock it first)
No weighted chain need. No need to stay in car. No attempt by the vehicle to stay in a lane.
OMG! Does it mean that if my car allows me to get out of the window and ride on the roof smoking pot and drinking vodka it is an unsafe car!?!?!Consumer Reports just posted a video of how it could have been done (not an S, though)....
CR Engineers Show a Tesla Will Drive With No One in the Driver's Seat
Amid speculation about the cause of a fatal crash in Texas, Consumer Reports put Tesla Autopilot to the test on our track without a driver behind the wheel. Our testing shows that a Tesla will drive with no one in the driver seat.www.consumerreports.org
OMG! Does it mean that if my car allows me to get out of the window and ride on the roof smoking pot and drinking vodka it is an unsafe car!?!?!