gearchruncher
Well-Known Member
You specifically said that FSD might give up and a human had to do it themselves. This means a reasonable human was able too. Of course there are insane edge conditions where a human can't do it either and nobody expects FSD to pull that off.. That's not what we are discussing or the example you used. This is what we are discussing:There will definitely be grousing on the internet because "FSD won't drive me to Tahoe in a snowstorm so I had to do it myself".
How many times has my car told me 1 or more cameras were "obstructed", read: blinded by the sun. This is easily 80% of the trips I have in the morning or evening in winter when the sun shines. And that means no AP. I even had basic cruise control totally shut off because the sun was low in front of the car. Not even non-adaptive cruise control. Nada. Nice on that 100km trip
Ironically, Elon has mentioned that Radar is one of the things that makes FSD "superhuman"- which is an indication that he expects FSD to be able to drive in situations where humans can't safely. And now they're ditching it.
Find me a single source that indicates Tesla is not using radar actively right now. The preponderance of evidence is that they are, and people complain daily about how their car phantom brakes on the highway, which is absolutely an indication of how dependent they are on radar. They will flat out slam on the brakes based on only radar data. The fact the system will not operate at all without Radar is also an indication of that. As you say, "It is dangerous to assert things that you don't know" yet you went and said:No. All you know is that, if Radar can't work, the autopilot shuts off. You don't know whether it is actually used for driving or safety. You certainly have zero idea how "dependent" they are on it. It is dangerous to assert things that you don't know.
Given the billions of miles of data collected, you can be sure that, if Tesla removes the radar, it's because, after reviewing all of the sensor data, they are extremely sure it is not germane to the sensor fusion picture they put together. It most likely means they haven't been using it for some time already.
Hmm, seems pretty dangerous- you even say "you can be sure that" and "it's most likely" and "I guess" which is a whole lot of passive language. Meanwhile, Elon is saying these kinds of things, clearly indicating that they are not yet away from radar and on pure vision.
Pure vision is an internal research project that not even beta testers under NDA have yet for just city driving, much less the wide fleet. So who's the one making up stuff? Hold yourself to the same standard you are holding me to.
A very large percentage of his Tweets are replies. Stop making up excuses for him that you have no data for.I guess, he's in 'write only' mode and doesn't read much.