A monkey with a dartboard could do better than they have.
You've uncovered their secret methodology! Unfortunately they used a drunk monkey.
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A monkey with a dartboard could do better than they have.
Agree with you and @smorgasbord. Near term, I'm seeing Tesla getting left behind as the sectors that have been hammered by the virus gets more inflow under the impression that the Fed will bail them out. So we're talking about airlines, cruises, GM/Ford, etc... companies with shitty balance sheet but employ a lot of people. Investors will no doubt start seeing *value* in these companies, many of which will become zombies, again. The paradigm is changing for the worse. These days I'm seeing a lot of gamblers with get rich quick schemes and games on monetary policy. 50-100% gain opportunities seems to pop up every other day.Totally agree with this, especially for Tesla.
My own read (highly subjective and personal) is that among Tesla bulls as present in this artificially self - selected group as represented here - there's no worry on that front. It seems like people here are overwhelmingly in the camp that TSLA is going up (a lot) in the short term.
EDIT: I see no particular worry here - just a lot of frustration that we're not double today's price because of manipulators.
I'm totally in the long term going up (a lot) camp - the 2012 shares I've been holding all along are still being held, with an investment hypothesis that leaves a non-zero possibility that I'll own them when I die.
Short term, I see flat to down.
I appreciate the additional perspectives. That's what I get from this forum and what I'm looking for. I'm especially looking for the reasons for the perspectives, rather than the conclusions, and you've done an excellent job of presenting those. Thank you for that @smorgasbord .
From the Christophe Barraud on Twitter above
"Zero-emission cars would be exempted from Value Added Tax."
This would be huge. That would take 20-25% of the price of a Tesla in most countries in the EU. Think about that again. 20-25% pricecut. Granted many countries have separate subsidies already that I would assume would be cancelled but those are usually in the less than 10% region so even in those countries it would mean an additional 10-15% pricecut.
this will be removed with Giga Berlin anyway wont it?
No. It's like a sales tax.
Maybe because the majority of owners won't use the car as a robo-taxi. So does Tesla ignore them?If Tesla could make 200k over the life of the car by using it as a robo-taxi why would they sell it to you for less?
So does Tesla ignore them?
File under: the things Zoomers say!OK Boomer. It's because the Millennials who created the page found them dope.
Hmm, yeah looks like the rail park just doing it’s own thing. Here is looking the other direction. I did not see anything going on in that direction and the photos I had seen were of the rail construction.Agreed. The Tesla site is ostensibly adjacent, to the immediate west of this. The water tower goes in between - east of the tower is this logistics park, and west of the Tower is the rumored Tesla area.
Need to finish Giga Berlin. Fast.
Yes, if Tesla achieves government-approved robotaxis, they have no incentive to sell to us.
No. It's like a sales tax.
It shall be my private robo-limo. (Image of me and companion(s) in the back seat sipping Cristal).When this is achieved then we will be so wealthy that $100,000 will not seem to be a great sum.
VAT Tax exemption is great for cars bought by private persons. About 2/3 of all new vehicles are bought by businesses.
Neuzulassungen von Pkw in Deutschland - Haltergruppen 2019 | Statista
This is further skewed with the more expensive cars. Businesses do not pay VAT (it is refunded to them in full).
So this - if it comes to fruition - is a two edged sword.
"Tesla Kid Grünheida" is a pretty fine drone pilot.Electrek - 5 minutes ago: Tesla shows the scale of Gigafactory Berlin ahead of groundbreaking - Electrek
but even here seeing Walmart shut down Jet.com just proves that you have to not just be in the right place at the right time, you need to have the right product/service and do that well.
If this happens, Tesla can sell the whole production only in the Netherlands, this is the best news this year, it it happens (still politics....)From the Christophe Barraud on Twitter above
"Zero-emission cars would be exempted from Value Added Tax."
This would be huge. That would take 20-25% of the price of a Tesla in most countries in the EU. Think about that again. 20-25% pricecut. Granted many countries have separate subsidies already that I would assume would be cancelled but those are usually in the less than 10% region so even in those countries it would mean an additional 10-15% pricecut.