theothertom
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Yes, but to their credit they are responding to changing market conditions and at least trying to fix the problem.Much cheaper to pass to customers and wait for the complaints.
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Yes, but to their credit they are responding to changing market conditions and at least trying to fix the problem.Much cheaper to pass to customers and wait for the complaints.
Here is how CCS1 looks like Here in Ukraine, we do charge US spec (mostly salvage) cars with CCS1 or CCS2 adapter, it works fine on fresh MS/MX manuf date from 02/2020 or M3/MYwith ECU replacement, rest MS/MX needs CCS retrofit (same as EU spec cars does)
CCS2 works fine with Tesla Supercharger (v3)
Can be a nice alternative to Setec
Yeah, that's the official Tesla Combo 2 adapter. That had been out for a while already. Note the "CCS-1" on the charger is simply referring to slot 1 on the charger, not the CCS1 we are currently discussing on this thread. You can see on the holder itself it's a Type 2 port on the top half, not J1772.
I was simply showing the size of it relative to the vehicle and plug. I would expect CCS-1 and CCS-2 adapters to be *very* close to the same size.Yeah, that's the official Tesla Combo 2 adapter. That had been out for a while already. Note the "CCS-1" on the charger is simply referring to slot 1 on the charger, not the CCS1 we are currently discussing on this thread. You can see on the holder itself it's a Type 2 port on the top half, not J1772.
Tesla slashes price of CCS retrofit for Model S and Model X
I too have no Windows machine (Linux household) to update the Setec firmware but managed to get a Windows virtual machine working in VirtualBox. VB is open source and I downloaded the Windows vm directly from Microsoft. It's a developer evaluation copy with a 10 day expiry, but I can reload the image whenever I need to work with Setec firmware. The Windows image is live, so it's ready to run upon loading, with no further installation needed.After updating my recently acquired SETEC CCS adaptor to firmware V150 (a hassle to do, since I do not own a Windows computer and have to borrow one) I was able to successfully charge my Model X for the first time at a BC Hydro charging station in North Vancouver, BC. My X is on V2020.48.37.2
I have not yet had the opportunity to try charging my Model 3 at that station, and I may not even bother because I typically don’t use that car for long distance trips. I bought the SETEC adaptor to potentially use while towing my trailer in areas of Canada that do not yet have Superchargers in place or where they are too far apart for me given the significantly greater energy usage while towing (which with my trailer is 50-80% more depending on conditions).
There was a company not too long ago selling a CCS1 -> Tesla passthrough adapter. It didn't work on NA cars, though. I'm not sure what happened to them.After reading so many CCS2/CCS1 responses, could it be as simple as a daisy chaining a...
CCS1 ---> CCS2 ---> Tesla
As in, CCS1 to CCS2 adapter, then CCS2 to tesla? Probably not that simple but one can dream right?
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The upper part only has 3 holes. Attached is a US CCS1 plug with 5 pins in the upper part. Tesla's adapter will need to accommodate the additional pins.There was a company not too long ago selling a CCS1 -> Tesla passthrough adapter. It didn't work on NA cars, though. I'm not sure what happened to them.
EDIT: This was it: Tesla US CCS1/CCS2 (400A) - Seems like it might work on some Model X or S cars?
If you have a European Tesla, yes. Otherwise the Tesla adapter won't plug into your car.After reading so many CCS2/CCS1 responses, could it be as simple as a daisy chaining a...
CCS1 ---> CCS2 ---> Tesla
As in, CCS1 to CCS2 adapter, then CCS2 to tesla? Probably not that simple but one can dream right?
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I get what you're saying. I realize they are outside the country with a different set of conditions. But they have not tried twice and still not gotten a fix. Do we now how the 3/Y is identifying the SETEC vs CHADEMO?Not really. If there are K car types, L car software versions, and M brands of CCS chargers, likely with N software versions each, in order to do full interoperability testing one would need to have K x L x M x N test systems and do as many tests.
If K = 4 (S 3 X Y), L = 3 (last 3 versions), M = 5 (a wild, possibly optimistic guess), and N = 3 (last 3 versions - another guess).
They would have to have 180 different different vehicles. They could never make it selling a few thousand devices for only a few $ hundred if they were to maintain and use that much test equipment.
Much cheaper to pass to customers and wait for the complaints.
Long term, we somehow need to get to 1 charging standard.
Look at it this way, the limiting factor on site installation right now is availability of site partners.As far as other makes cars are concerned, not really wanting to see non-Teslas filling up the supercharger bays, especially on crowded holiday drives, but we’re probably heading that direction too.
I get what you're saying. I realize they are outside the country with a different set of conditions. But they have not tried twice and still not gotten a fix. Do we now how the 3/Y is identifying the SETEC vs CHADEMO?
Here's a what-if. Isn't the CHADEMO adapter more then a dump pass-thru (people have mentioned there's firmware in there). Each adapter might also have a serial number. Tesla could just be checking the adapter against a list of of authorized serial numbers. SETEC could try to close a serial number but Tesla could easily notice that (too many people using the same serial number).
Tesla should really bring out their own adapter. For a "dump" adapter they have to replace a module in the car. This will get more irritating when Tesla opens up the Superchargers to other EVs. They can use ours, but we can't use theirs?
Long term, we somehow need to get to 1 charging standard.
The opening up the SC's to all is disturbing. Currently it's one of Tesla's biggest perks but there are waits sometimes. Opened up we lose the perk and probably gain more waits. I don't think any earnings it will generate will be offset by sending buyers to other makes. It does fit with the mission statement but...I get what you're saying. I realize they are outside the country with a different set of conditions. But they have not tried twice and still not gotten a fix. Do we now how the 3/Y is identifying the SETEC vs CHADEMO?
Here's a what-if. Isn't the CHADEMO adapter more then a dump pass-thru (people have mentioned there's firmware in there). Each adapter might also have a serial number. Tesla could just be checking the adapter against a list of of authorized serial numbers. SETEC could try to close a serial number but Tesla could easily notice that (too many people using the same serial number).
Tesla should really bring out their own adapter. For a "dump" adapter they have to replace a module in the car. This will get more irritating when Tesla opens up the Superchargers to other EVs. They can use ours, but we can't use theirs?
Long term, we somehow need to get to 1 charging standard.
Elon has already announced that Tesla will be opening up superchargers to other brands. Speculation is that they're doing this to capture some of the infrastructure $$ that is pending in congress.As far as other makes cars are concerned, not really wanting to see non-Teslas filling up the supercharger bays, especially on crowded holiday drives, but we’re probably heading that direction too.
That's cool if they do it by expanding and adding ccs1 stations. If they were to do that and make an adapter available it would be a win all around.Elon has already announced that Tesla will be opening up superchargers to other brands. Speculation is that they're doing this to capture some of the infrastructure $$ that is pending in congress.
Either an adapter(s) needs to be released, new stations will include a CCS plug or new vehicles will use the Tesla plug natively. None of those options really threaten to overrun superchargers with non Tesla cars anytime soon and even if they decide to retrofit some of the older stations, I highly doubt it would be the congested ones.The opening up the SC's to all is disturbing. Currently it's one of Tesla's biggest perks but there are waits sometimes. Opened up we lose the perk and probably gain more waits. I don't think any earnings it will generate will be offset by sending buyers to other makes. It does fit with the mission statement but...
Yeah, tbh, these capacity concerns are overblown in general. EA was giving away free charging all weekend! I used two of their sites with the CHAdeMO adapter and saw one other vehicle the whole time.Either an adapter(s) needs to be released, new stations will include a CCS plug or new vehicles will use the Tesla plug natively. None of those options really threaten to overrun superchargers with non Tesla cars anytime soon and even if they decide to retrofit some of the older stations, I highly doubt it would be the congested ones.
If they add a CCS (and maybe even a chademo) on a supercharger, it may suddenly even be viable to start filling in a bunch of secondary routes and rural areas that previously wouldn't have been economically viable.