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Poll - When do you believe park assist will be available again?
- Thread starter My2cents
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It is being rolled out in waves like any software update. I haven't gotten the notification yet but one of my buddies has so I know it is not necessarily region based. Not sure what the algorithm they are using on the software rollout but give it a week and it should arrive by then if not sooner.
Got my update installed tonight. Car: M3 RWD manufactured back to Dec 2022. The distance it measures is pretty accurate (it does detects the curb which cannot be achieved by USS alone) in a street parking scenario with a few “Park Assign Unavailable” warnings in between. To fix this I simply put the car into park, wait a few seconds and then shift to drive/reverse again. (I tested this out late night so no car is around)
However when I am not parking but driving there is a big deal: It just happened that we have a late march blizzard this afternoon and park assist is pretty much unusable with slushes and groves on the pavement, it keeps warning me to stop out of no where when I driving in residential street. (Sorry no photo was taken for this as it’s unsafe to grab phone under poor post-blizzard visibility. )
However when I am not parking but driving there is a big deal: It just happened that we have a late march blizzard this afternoon and park assist is pretty much unusable with slushes and groves on the pavement, it keeps warning me to stop out of no where when I driving in residential street. (Sorry no photo was taken for this as it’s unsafe to grab phone under poor post-blizzard visibility. )
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OxBrew
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Yes, surprisingly obstacle-avoidance-AEB doesn't engage even though I was at a very low speed. The continuously sharp chime is annoying though. As soon as I completed the turn warning just went off.
smogne41
Active Member
See
Obstacle-Aware Acceleration
section at:
Model 3 Owner's Manual | Tesla
Learn about Collision Avoidance Assist and its specifications.
www.tesla.com
Yes received it yesterday, very mixed feelings, did not detect 9" wall pillar or drive metal gates but in fairness its early days needs to be used in many different scenarios. That said cant see it ever parking itself unless the car parks are empty of vehicles but only time will tell if its a successful replacement for USS or a damp squid.
Does anyone (say you FSDb testers) really believe that FSD and Smart Summon are actually improving at this point? Is it realistic as Elon has long-held to his claim that vision-only is THE way forward? Does that still hold true, or have we plateaued with a vision-only solution?
Having downloaded the new update of Park assist thus far found it next to useless, cant be relied upon or be taken seriously as it stands. If it cannot detect walls, gate posts and metal gates then there is no hope of of being functional for self park, summons or special summons without trashing your car and others. I think Elon has to take his "Vision" to speck savers for full eye test and continue using his white stick.
Utumno
2 x Model Y LR (2022 Q2 & 2023 Q3)
Not sure exactly what you mean by “white stick”, but I think I’m otherwise following you.
Not sure I agree that Elon is lurking around blindly, mate. Dude’s an effing genius.
Not sure exactly what you mean by “white stick”, but I think I’m otherwise following you.
Not sure exactly what you mean by “white stick”, but I think I’m otherwise following you.
Not sure exactly what you mean by “white stick”, but I think I’m otherwise following you.
THEbuz, you maybe right and and Elon maybe an effing genius, but from where I stand does not add up.
I have been trying out the Vision update that has been released to replace or partially replace the parking assist functions since the decision to remove USS. I have ensured all the cameras are clean and dry have taken my 2003 Y into a number of carparks to see how the system compares to my friends 2003 October issue with USS sensors. There is no comparison between the two models parking with USS sensors was clear and precise giving accurate distances. Trying to park my Y with Vision was at best hit and miss and measurements were in most instances inaccurate and the park assist was more of a distraction than a help as there was no trust in the wiggly display. I found that whilst inaccurate, it preformed slightly better parking in a car park than trying to reverse in or out of drives and garages as it failed to notice the brick pillars or gates but does show phantom trucks flying past or on top of my vehicle. Once parked pulling out and then reversing in the same spot was much better.
Elon believes that Vision cameras are equal or better that the human eye, but if I went along to speck savers or vision express with Tesla Vision performance I think they would defiantly urgently be referred to an eye specialist or suggest signing up for a guide dog.
In my opinion the update as released is not worthy or complements Tesla high-tech vehicle, its clear that Tesla have no faith in the product as the release notes clearly states "Note Tesla Vision Park Assist is for guidance purposes only and not as a substitute for an aware driver. Please be attentive and avoid obstacles as required". In other words not fit for purpose and cannot be relied upon and such a disclaimer was never on vehicles fitted with USS.
It maybe that its a six month late rushed to appease discontented owners and may improve with time, but for my money software will never in this particular case replace hardware, especially with the suite of cameras on the 2023 vehicles.
I will give it some time before contacting Tesla service as it could be that I have a set of faulty cameras which may not be aliened correctly.
I attach set of snaps where cameras continue not to detect objects that even with poor human eyesight cannot be missed
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Utumno
2 x Model Y LR (2022 Q2 & 2023 Q3)
Dude. Sell the car. Put us out of your misery.
Oh, I don’t disagree with you on TVPA. It sucks. The reason I’m still defending Elon is he sees the big picture. That feature may suck now w/o USS, but I believe that it will all get worked out in the big picture.
You should watch Lex Fridman’s interview with Andrej Karpathy on his podcast. Karpathy talks about having too many sensors and even how having higher resolution cameras is not the goal.
In short, human park assist isn’t the goal.
Long-term L5 autonomy (FSD) is the goal.
THEbuz, thanks for your comment and I am sure you are correct. The reason I kicking off and some members don't understand or have bothered to read any of my comments is that the main purpose of purchasing Tesla apart from its looks and equipment was park assist and special summons which was very important having had knee replacement surgery, pulling the car out of a tight space to open the door without twisting joints. I am sure that some day these functions will be available again and the car will be perfect, but its not at the moment, but was at the time of placing the contract.
The gentleman (Utumno) who told me to sell the car clearly does not understand, its a rather ignorant comment to make and I do hope he never undergoes knee replacements.
The car is great to drive and I was so impressed on the test drive that whilst there is not much point in FSD in the UK I thought it worth £6800 for the extra facilities to make my life easier, which despite verbal and written assurances (to stop me cancelling) have not been delivered.
So I am not being unreasonable as I know if park assist is not fully functioning then summons could be years away.
My sympathies on your joint pain. Sorry to hear that. I can’t blame you for having your reasons for purchasing a TESLA, but—respectfully—I think you are the outlier. IMO, TESLA owners—even new entrants like me—understand that FSD and Smart Summon are features that are still in the gimmick / parlor trick phase and not truly ready for prime time. Don’t get me wrong—I want what you want, and I wish both features were ready now, but that just is not reality. It’s anyone’s guess as to when FSD will be go-live ready.
THEbuz, Thanks for your comments I agree with you and I was made fully aware at the point of ordering that FSD it was a future work towards and unlikely that full self driving in the UK would be available. That was fully accepted with the knowledge as things improved in the FSD journey they would be made available, I also realised that Special summons was a parlor trick and Park was not as refined compared to other vehicles but Park Assist and Summons were available and I was satisfied with their performance, and I paid for these features but were not delivered despite assurances in writing that all would be restored by the new year.
I have investigated in having retro fitted USS sensors, whilst they will not look great and its another unnecessary unit inside the car to give audio signals they can be powered from the USB, therefore not interfering with any wiring to avoid issues with warranty, but that will not restore summons.
Anyway there is little Tesla owners club can do as it appears from comments that Tesla does what it likes when it likes and so far has got away with it. so I wont labour this issue in the group.
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