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LG has been facing questions about defects that lead to battery fires (Hyundai Kona, Chevrolet Bolt, Chrysler Pacifica PHEV, VW ID.3).What are the advantages of the LG 5L battery?
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LG has been facing questions about defects that lead to battery fires (Hyundai Kona, Chevrolet Bolt, Chrysler Pacifica PHEV, VW ID.3).What are the advantages of the LG 5L battery?
I wouldn't call that an advantage.LG has been facing questions about defects that lead to battery fires (Hyundai Kona, Chevrolet Bolt, Chrysler Pacifica PHEV, VW ID.3).
Looking at these two very recent inventory Performances the '21 is listed with 3D1 and the '22 with 3D6. What difference it makes I don't know.AIUI they have the hairpin motor (3D6) just not the cat. 3 variant.
The 3D6 has hairpin windings and is new for’22 so this makes sense. There are two variants of the 3D6; cat.2 & cat.3.Looking at these two very recent inventory Performances the '21 is listed with 3D1 and the '22 with 3D6. What difference it makes I don't know.
How can one tell what type of motor one has? In specific I'm interested in finding out on the M3LR, as I have a 02/22 I picked up this week.3D6 has hairpin windings and is new for’22 so this makes sense. There are two variants of the 3D6; cat.2 & cat.3.
I have this question too, I pick up my M3P next week and the VIN says L for the hairpin windings motor (Variant 3DP) but how do I find out if it’s the more powerful motor?How can one tell what type of motor one has? In specific I'm interested in finding out on the M3LR, as I have a 02/22 I picked up this week.
The most definitive way is from the eight character of the VIN and second character of the Version from the Certificate of Conformity (CoC), if you get one.How can one tell what type of motor one has?
I don't think you get a CoC so you can try to deduce it from battery type. With the M3P, if you don't have the LG 5L battery then you don't have the cat.3. If you do have the Panasonic 3L then you could have either of the three versions and would need to look for part numbers.VIN says L for the hairpin windings motor (Variant 3DP) but how do I find out if it’s the more powerful motor?
You can also see Model Iteration 2 (code MI02) in both vehicles manufactured in 2021. This confirms something I found over on the German site (see UK 2022 Orders to Delivery General Discussion) but I didn't expect to see the 3D6 motor in a 2021 build, so it must be a 2022 VIN.Looking at these two very recent inventory Performances
Looks like my 02/22 M3LR has a B (Standard Wire Windings 3#DB)eighth character of the VIN
However just because the cat.3 is rated 16kW higher than the cat.2 it doesn't follow that one will be more powerful than another. It's a higher net power rating but it's controlled in software and ultimately limited by battery power.
The cat.3 motor with the LG 5L has the potential to make more power in the M3P. It does make about 16kW more in the MYP. This is what I had expected (hoped) to see with my own 2022 M3P.
Where do I find the CoC? I have the VIN but can’t see a CoC?The most definitive way is from the eight character of the VIN and second character of the Version from the Certificate of Conformity (CoC), if you get one.
VIN character 8:
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CoC Version #G#### = cat.1, #Q#### = cat.2 or #Z#### = cat.3.
I don't think you get a CoC so you can try to deduce it from battery type. With the M3P, if you don't have the LG 5L battery then you don't have the cat.3. If you do have the Panasonic 3L then you could have either of the three versions and would need to look for part numbers.
However just because the cat.3 is rated 16kW higher than the cat.2 it doesn't follow that one will be more powerful than another. It's a higher net power rating but it's controlled in software and ultimately limited by battery power. The 219kW net rating of the cat.1 & cat.2 motors is already exceeded with up to around 250kW measured (see Model Year 2022 Refresh M3/MY).
The cat.3 motor with the LG 5L has the potential to make more power in the M3P. It does make about 16kW more in the MYP. This is what I had expected (hoped) to see with my own 2022 M3P but at the moment no-one is getting the LG 5L battery in the M3P it seems. Also with the way Tesla assemble the M3P from three different rear motors and two different batteries the software will homogenise this, to achieve the rated performance.
It's a European Union (EU) document which certifies that a vehicle confirms to the type (spec) described and can legally be registered. It is provided if the Customer has to register their own vehicle. I guess you will have something similar but not necessarily with the Variant and Version info used for the EU Type Approval process.Where do I find the CoC? I have the VIN but can’t see a CoC?
Bummer, it seems there is no way I have of getting those crucial details. It’s almost impossible getting any technical info from Tesla!It's a European Union (EU) document which certifies that a vehicle confirms to the type (spec) described and can legally be registered. It is provided if the Customer has to register their own vehicle. I guess you will have something similar but not necessarily with the Variant and Version info used for the EU Type Approval process.
Thanks for this useful info!The most definitive way is from the eight character of the VIN and second character of the Version from the Certificate of Conformity (CoC), if you get one.
VIN character 8:
View attachment 773565
CoC Version #G#### = cat.1, #Q#### = cat.2 or #Z#### = cat.3.
I don't think you get a CoC so you can try to deduce it from battery type. With the M3P, if you don't have the LG 5L battery then you don't have the cat.3. If you do have the Panasonic 3L then you could have either of the three versions and would need to look for part numbers.
However just because the cat.3 is rated 16kW higher than the cat.2 it doesn't follow that one will be more powerful than another. It's a higher net power rating but it's controlled in software and ultimately limited by battery power. The 219kW net rating of the cat.1 & cat.2 motors is already exceeded with up to around 250kW measured (see Model Year 2022 Refresh M3/MY).
The cat.3 motor with the LG 5L has the potential to make more power in the M3P. It does make about 16kW more in the MYP. This is what I had expected (hoped) to see with my own 2022 M3P but at the moment no-one is getting the LG 5L battery in the M3P it seems. Also with the way Tesla assemble the M3P from three different rear motors and two different batteries the software will homogenise this, to achieve the rated performance.
My apologies if this has been asked and answered already, but will the Model 3 be getting the 4680s concurrently with the Y? I'm about to pull the trigger on a M3P or MYP order and this is one of the deciding factors.