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Yep, if you are used to ‘stop the wheel from turning’ it still works. If you are a ‘wiggler’ It seems to work less well.Just did a 816 km round trip with 2018.21.9 installed on my Model S and I can say I hardly got any nags. I always drive with a hand on the wheel but it seems the new way of sensing the torque on the steering wheel works better than the old way.
Beeps tend to happen in congestion; I use autopilot a lot in urban areas as well, partly out of amusement and interest than any useful requirement - and perhaps it helps contribute data back in tricky conditions because my vehicle always uploads lots of data. What I've found is that approaching some intersections with lots of cars ahead where line markings are mostly hidden it will warn much more easily than on a highway, and sometimes just go straight to beeping, even if I've been clearly holding the steering wheel enough to have prevented nagging. It seems to be a kind of "escalated" warning telling you that autopilot is unsure.I already hold the wheel and initially complained about the increased nags the first few days. Since rebooting and putting a few miles on the car, it's not too bad. I drove about 80 miles yesterday and really only noticed the nags a few times. I still never received any beeps. We did some tests and did see them every 20 seconds or so if we intentionally didn't touch the wheel.
I’ve noted this also where it’s not linear at all. Highways vs more local streets vs what the surroundings are like are definitely different environments to AP. We’re tsking a trip this weekend and 2018.21.9 should be a fun companion!Beeps tend to happen in congestion; I use autopilot a lot in urban areas as well, partly out of amusement and interest than any useful requirement - and perhaps it helps contribute data back in tricky conditions because my vehicle always uploads lots of data. What I've found is that approaching some intersections with lots of cars ahead where line markings are mostly hidden it will warn much more easily than on a highway, and sometimes just go straight to beeping, even if I've been clearly holding the steering wheel enough to have prevented nagging. It seems to be a kind of "escalated" warning telling you that autopilot is unsure.
Steering settings matter as it changes the firmness of the wheel, right? So the firmer the steering (sport) the more force you have to exert to turn the wheel. The less firm (comfort) is the exact opposite, obviously.Why would the setting matter? That’s how the steering responds to your input, not how AP/AS responds.
Thanks for starting this. I thought I might be the only one. I get fewer nags now as the torque to break self steering is much lower thus easier for the car to sense my hands on the wheel. I had to try to trigger the new nag flasherSince there seems to be an unending flood of threads where people can't seem to stop whining about being nagged, I thought I'd start one for those of us who can follow directions and are getting zero nags...
2018.21.9 - 500-1000 miles of AP1 driving, zero nags. Not one.
Look, I know this is a ridiculously stupid thread but so are the near dozen "AP Sucks" threads... I get some of you are having issues with the wheel sensing torque which very well could indicate you have a hardware issue. Those of you who just don't want to put a hand on the wheel I feel absolutely no sympathy for you. None. AP1/2/2.5 is NOT autonomous driving, it's a driving assistant system.
If people would stop doing stupid crap while using AP then all of you affected wouldn't have to suffer but until that time, just use the feature correctly and you'll be fine.
Jeff
That would explain a lot. The majority of the people who have filed complaints *have their hand(s) on the wheel* and now get 10x the nags they got previously.
It's simply not an acceptable "solution" when the driver's eyes are taken *off* the road due to poor monitoring. In this case, it appears that both the algorithm and the "torque sensing" are not up to the task.
Not once in 50,000+ miles post-advent of AS (early 2015) with AP1 did I lose AS due to "AP jail". Now especially with this miserable *21.9 failure (call it what you like, but when Elon tweets that there's a fix coming, obviously there's a problem), AP jail looms large constantly. Again - that's *with my hand(s) on the wheel*.
Unacceptable.
If the nags were in my field of vision (HUD, anyone?), that would be better. Best would be having sensors that actually detected hands on the wheel when they're on the wheel. Imagine that.
Steering settings matter as it changes the firmness of the wheel, right? So the firmer the steering (sport) the more force you have to exert to turn the wheel. The less firm (comfort) is the exact opposite, obviously.
So what are the issues most have with canceling AS: “I have to apply too much force to get the nags to go away”
Gee, if only there was a way to modify how much force it takes to steer the car...
Just do it. It’s not the major problem some are making it out to be.The steering setting seems like it could have an impact.. but I’m scared to update For fear of constant nags.
I usually drive in comfort steering.
Perhaps someone who has updated could report back their nag experiences on all the different steering settings?
I entertained this idea shortly after this release. Changing the setting from comfort to sport I couldn't discern any difference in the nags though (and I'm one that does get them often on straight roads.)The steering setting seems like it could have an impact.. but I’m scared to update For fear of constant nags.
I usually drive in comfort steering.
Perhaps someone who has updated could report back their nag experiences on all the different steering settings?
I agree. I have to think the software filters out the ‘friction’ of the wheel input.I entertained this idea shortly after this release. Changing the setting from comfort to sport I couldn't discern any difference in the nags though (and I'm one that does get them often on straight roads.)