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First day of my 12.24 kW install!

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I just received the bill from Tesla. Still allows paying with credit card through PayPal or you can call in.

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Unfortunately, in this case my only card is my Costco card which will give 1% back. But it is still $200 on my rebate check in the spring.

Depending on how quickly they need payment, you could probably apply for a high-rewards card and have it in hand in about a week, or less.

Each to their own of course, but I've collected 10s of thousands of dollars in CC rewards/miles/points over 25 years and always cycle to whatever is the best card at that time. Just have to be cautious and don't let "having a new card" sucker you into altering your spending habits.
 
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Depending on how quickly they need payment, you could probably apply for a high-rewards card and have it in hand in about a week, or less.

Each to their own of course, but I've collected 10s of thousands of dollars in CC rewards/miles/points over 25 years and always cycle to whatever is the best card at that time. Just have to be cautious and don't let "having a new card" sucker you into altering your spending habits.

Yah, we probably could, but we just refi'ed two houses, bought 2 new-to-us cars, repainted our house, replaced our roof, installed solar, expanded one of our ponds, removed 2 large trees, and probably a few other things I'm forgetting. At this point, I just want to pay the damn thing off, flip the switch and take a little break :)
 
I just received the bill from Tesla. Still allows paying with credit card through PayPal or you can call in.

We did the pay pal option for the first and second halves of the payment. And the PTO request system is tied to the payment system. Within 10 minutes of making the second half payment, we received a copy of the PTO request sent to PG&E. Now we just need someone at PG&E to hit the approved button.
 
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I just made my payment on 2 credit cards over the phone with no issues. System is now paid in full, just waiting for SCE.

Put $21,000 on one card. My largest credit card purchase by far. Was a bit nervous if it would go through :)

It was the largest single purchase I had ever put through on a credit card, as well, lol. I made sure to make the payment a couple days after my "statement date" so that I would not end up in a situation where that large purchase actually showed up on the credit card statement. I watched the card balance for a few days until the purchase showed up there, and then sent a payment to pay it off once the balance was on the card.

Making the charge a couple days into the credit card billing cycle ment I would have, in effect, almost 2 months before I was charged interest on it, if I wanted to take that time. I didnt want the large purchase showing on the next statement though, so I paid it off as soon as I saw it on the card balance. I just printed out copies of everything to put in my file cabinet. My wife used to be a "documentation specialist" for a large Biopharmaceutical company, so likes paper copies to put in our physical file cabinets. Conversely, I take the same copies, make them digital if they are not already, and store them on my NAS since I am in IT and prefer digital storage.

Means I have everything stored twice (lol), but I can ask my wife "where is the receipt for the new fridge we bought 4 years ago? I need to call for xxxxxx" and she can produce that physical piece of paper inside of 3-4 minutes, always. Conversely, I am normally searching through my digital copies trying to find said receipt copy as I am not as good organizing my digital storage as she is her physical storage (lmao).
 
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It was the largest single purchase I had ever put through on a credit card, as well, lol. I made sure to make the payment a couple days after my "statement date" so that I would not end up in a situation where that large purchase actually showed up on the credit card statement. I watched the card balance for a few days until the purchase showed up there, and then sent a payment to pay it off once the balance was on the card.

Making the charge a couple days into the credit card billing cycle ment I would have, in effect, almost 2 months before I was charged interest on it, if I wanted to take that time. I didnt want the large purchase showing on the next statement though, so I paid it off as soon as I saw it on the card balance. I just printed out copies of everything to put in my file cabinet. My wife used to be a "documentation specialist" for a large Biopharmaceutical company, so likes paper copies to put in our physical file cabinets. Conversely, I take the same copies, make them digital if they are not already, and store them on my NAS since I am in IT and prefer digital storage.

Means I have everything stored twice (lol), but I can ask my wife "where is the receipt for the new fridge we bought 4 years ago? I need to call for xxxxxx" and she can produce that physical piece of paper inside of 3-4 minutes, always. Conversely, I am normally searching through my digital copies trying to find said receipt copy as I am not as good organizing my digital storage as she is her physical storage (lmao).

Hah, my wife and I are exactly the same. I make sure everything is scanned and stored in my Google Drive account. She has a set of physical file folders she keeps everything in.
 
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Tesla came out yesterday and ground the tiles a bit more. Now they are sitting nicely on the tiles below the bracket.

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Glad they came out to make sure the tiles fit better!

I'm still curious that the tile below the hook is now load-bearing though. The hook literally rests on the tile, so the tile bears some weight of the rack and mounts. It also means if there's a stiff wind pushing on the array, the load doesn't go through your roof rafters, it goes through your tile. That's why my roofer said to avoid solar; if the tile below the hook is cracked, it'll be tough to get coverage under the solar warranty since the hook is fine.

Tesla couldn't commit to creating the approximately 5mm gap between the lower tile and hook for my roof. So they bailed on my order. Example of how the hook shouldn't contact tile below.

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Glad they came out to make sure the tiles fit better!

I'm still curious that the tile below the hook is now load-bearing though. The hook literally rests on the tile, so the tile bears some weight of the rack and mounts. It also means if there's a stiff wind pushing on the array, the load doesn't go through your roof rafters, it goes through your tile. That's why my roofer said to avoid solar; if the tile below the hook is cracked, it'll be tough to get coverage under the solar warranty since the hook is fine.

Tesla couldn't commit to creating the approximately 5mm gap between the lower tile and hook for my roof. So they bailed on my order. Example of how the hook shouldn't contact tile below.

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Maybe its changed, but the contract I have said tesla covers all leaks resulting from their install. If it leaks at a tile that is supported by their equipment, that would be caused by their install, to me.

In any case I have lived through several heavy (for southern california anyway) rainstorms and have not had an issue with my install from 2015. Doesnt mean no one else will, but mine has been fine. Warranties on this stuff are only as good as the company, but tesla is still around, unlike a LOT of solar companies, so there is a good chance that I and others using them would be covered.
 
Maybe its changed, but the contract I have said tesla covers all leaks resulting from their install. If it leaks at a tile that is supported by their equipment, that would be caused by their install, to me.

In any case I have lived through several heavy (for southern california anyway) rainstorms and have not had an issue with my install from 2015. Doesnt mean no one else will, but mine has been fine. Warranties on this stuff are only as good as the company, but tesla is still around, unlike a LOT of solar companies, so there is a good chance that I and others using them would be covered.


Yeah, my roofer said he's aware of too many bitter disputes between solar companies and homeowners over this stuff. Hence his "solar is bad" recommendation.

The way I understand it, the solar warranty only covers the actual racking, mounting, and penetrations that they put in. Your own tile breaking or a leak in the underlayment that is not where they put penetrations is not covered.

For example with these hooks, there are probably two lag bolts going through the rafters. And they'll add some butyl and flashing to ensure that if water gets near these penetrations. So if done right, those penetrations won't leak. If they do leak, then it's more clear that it's an issue with the solar instal.

If in 5 years, let's consider a situation that weight of the array presses on the hook and tile below the hook. And now there's a leak downstream of the broken tile. A roofer would come in and see the broken tile and leak. But, it'll be tough for this roofer to say "yep the solar is at fault." The lag bolts and flashing that the solar installed for the hook's lag penetrations are likely bone dry. So now the homeowner needs to get a signed affidavit that says the hook/array caused the broken tile and leak down stream ... and that's a really tough sign-off to get.

And worse things happen when there are big tile penetrations that break. You can see in Dave's previous post that the conduit line is ground straight through a roof tile. They flashed it below the tile, but the tile is still somewhat important to the integrity of the runoff. If that tile breaks in 5 years - is it that solar installer's fault or the fault of an aging tile?

Anyway I hope nobody ever runs into this headache.
 
Yeah, my roofer said he's aware of too many bitter disputes between solar companies and homeowners over this stuff. Hence his "solar is bad" recommendation.

The way I understand it, the solar warranty only covers the actual racking, mounting, and penetrations that they put in. Your own tile breaking or a leak in the underlayment that is not where they put penetrations is not covered.

For example with these hooks, there are probably two lag bolts going through the rafters. And they'll add some butyl and flashing to ensure that if water gets near these penetrations. So if done right, those penetrations won't leak. If they do leak, then it's more clear that it's an issue with the solar instal.

If in 5 years, let's consider a situation that weight of the array presses on the hook and tile below the hook. And now there's a leak downstream of the broken tile. A roofer would come in and see the broken tile and leak. But, it'll be tough for this roofer to say "yep the solar is at fault." The lag bolts and flashing that the solar installed for the hook's lag penetrations are likely bone dry. So now the homeowner needs to get a signed affidavit that says the hook/array caused the broken tile and leak down stream ... and that's a really tough sign-off to get.

And worse things happen when there are big tile penetrations that break. You can see in Dave's previous post that the conduit line is ground straight through a roof tile. They flashed it below the tile, but the tile is still somewhat important to the integrity of the runoff. If that tile breaks in 5 years - is it that solar installer's fault or the fault of an aging tile?

Anyway I hope nobody ever runs into this headache.

I'm personally not too concerned about a broken tile. My understanding is the underlayment is expected to have water on it and is the real protection.

I am concerned about penetrations into the underlayment. I hope those were done well. Looking at what they did with the flat roof penetrations looks good to me, so I'm hoping that means the tile roof penetrations were done well also.

My roofer has offered to come out and inspect the roof next week since I had both painters and solar installers on the roof. It will be interesting to hear what he says.

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