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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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Deary me, just tried signing up and I can't link my Tesla account because I have two cars linked to my account. Surely I should be able to pick which car I want to use?
From what I’ve read, you need to remove the second car from the account, link the IO account to the main car, then you can re-add the second car to your account. It’s only the initial setup where having multiple cars breaks things.
 
From what I’ve read, you need to remove the second car from the account, link the IO account to the main car, then you can re-add the second car to your account. It’s only the initial setup where having multiple cars breaks things.
Can't remove either car as I'm the primary user for both.

I'm on my second attempt on the test charge and it's been stuck on this screen for nearly 20 mins. Seamless enrollment this is not.

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IO does still poll the car to check its state, though? It just doesn’t happen as often as it used to.
Or am I missing something?
If you use the API, you can poll the car and check the state without waking it... just as Teslamate and TeslaFi do.
When it comes to apps and services connecting to your car, there's no magic sauce, they all use the same API, which means they can all do the same things the same way.

So yes, it'll still check, but doesn't need to wake the car to do that.
 
If you use the API, you can poll the car and check the state without waking it... just as Teslamate and TeslaFi do.
When it comes to apps and services connecting to your car, there's no magic sauce, they all use the same API, which means they can all do the same things the same way.

So yes, it'll still check, but doesn't need to wake the car to do that.
I’d seen some mention of Tesla buffering car states. I’m guessing this is leveraging that.
Though, I wonder why it then takes so long for IO to stop a charge when the car is plugged in during peak hours? If there’s no danger of waking the car due to polling, why let the car charge for half hour to an hour before stopping it? You’d think IO would poll every 5 minutes.
 
What @phil4 said basically.

The polling window used to be such that the car could never get into a sleep state when it was unplugged from a charger.

But they extended the query time window so that the car can naturally sleep. IO won't wake the car from sleep it's status.

The downside of this new approach has been the slowness to stop the plug-in charges and produce schedules for cars that have been sat on the drive doing nothing for x amount of time.
 
I’d seen some mention of Tesla buffering car states. I’m guessing this is leveraging that.
Though, I wonder why it then takes so long for IO to stop a charge when the car is plugged in during peak hours? If there’s no danger of waking the car due to polling, why let the car charge for half hour to an hour before stopping it? You’d think IO would poll every 5 minutes.
I suspect IO don't have much computer resource/bandwidth, and a fair number of customers, so rather than poll all all the time, they drop off to 30 mins, hour/whatever they can reasonably sustain.
 
He said that I should not be swapped to a more expensive tariff (ie Intelligent) ahead of the end of my fixed term. But did say that it was possible that this might happen which if it did, email/phone them and they will revert the switchover date to the end of the current fixed term.
Having done just this I can confirm they will most certainly move you to IO before your cheaper Go deal comes to an end. Had to ring them to get them to move me back.
 
What @phil4 said basically.

The polling window used to be such that the car could never get into a sleep state when it was unplugged from a charger.

But they extended the query time window so that the car can naturally sleep. IO won't wake the car from sleep it's status.

The downside of this new approach has been the slowness to stop the plug-in charges and produce schedules for cars that have been sat on the drive doing nothing for x amount of time.
You and Phil aren’t saying the same thing, though. Phil is saying the new polling method doesn’t wake the car up, whilst you’re saying the polling has been reduced to stop the car from being woken up as frequently. I was under the impression the latter was the situation, however I think Phil may be correct.
 
I’m new to IO having previously been on Go for the last few years.

Last night at around 8pm, I dropped my daughter at the gym, plugged the car in and went inside. 10 minutes later I noticed the smart meter flashing red and it was pulling over 7 kWh. I never had a schedule from Octopus and didn’t ask it to bump charge but the car was charging. I stopped the charge and manually bump charged after 11:30pm.

Has anyone else had this and know how to ensure it doesn’t use peak rate electricity? At 43p a KWh, I can’t afford it to do this all the time.
 
Can't remove either car as I'm the primary user for both.

I'm on my second attempt on the test charge and it's been stuck on this screen for nearly 20 mins. Seamless enrollment this is not.
I had exactly the same situation & had to visit my local SC to understand how to resolve this (& IO does not 'allow' ownership of two cars)

Originally my main account had a Model 3 using IO but I purchased a Model Y needing the transfer of IO & remaining referral miles (so I could subsequently sell the original car)

I had to create a second account with my other email address, move the Model 3 (previously linked to IO) over to that and then go through the sign up process again via the Octopus app for the Model Y. It worked immediately.

During the time I still owned both I had no need to transfer the original car back so cannot confirm what impact that would have with IO (I suggest you do not ask Octopus because the terms for this tariff only allow ownership of one EV)

The only consequence of creating two accounts was that the Model 3 still showed charge stats in the Octopus app whenever I logged in but the 'original app' containing the Model Y has lost the ability to do so in spite of deleting, re installing and various other attempts. It's no big deal for me as they served little useful purpose.
 
I’m new to IO having previously been on Go for the last few years.

Last night at around 8pm, I dropped my daughter at the gym, plugged the car in and went inside. 10 minutes later I noticed the smart meter flashing red and it was pulling over 7 kWh. I never had a schedule from Octopus and didn’t ask it to bump charge but the car was charging. I stopped the charge and manually bump charged after 11:30pm.

Has anyone else had this and know how to ensure it doesn’t use peak rate electricity? At 43p a KWh, I can’t afford it to do this all the time.
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I’m new to IO having previously been on Go for the last few years.

Last night at around 8pm, I dropped my daughter at the gym, plugged the car in and went inside. 10 minutes later I noticed the smart meter flashing red and it was pulling over 7 kWh. I never had a schedule from Octopus and didn’t ask it to bump charge but the car was charging. I stopped the charge and manually bump charged after 11:30pm.

Has anyone else had this and know how to ensure it doesn’t use peak rate electricity? At 43p a KWh, I can’t afford it to do this all the time.
Trick to stop the car from starting a charge immediately during peak hours is to set a charge schedule in the car. You can either set a start charge of 2330 or an end charge of 0530. Both ways work. The car won’t start charging straight away and IO will start/stop the charging as per the schedule.
 
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It says “In the schedule menu in the app set off peak charge on and off peak end time to 5:30”

I don’t get any of those options in the app? I can only set the charge limit (100%) and the ‘ready by time’, all contained under the Devices tab of the app.