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What will you do, when the consensus is proved a lie?
Like any rational scientist, if presented new evidence I would reassess the situation. What is frustrating about most politicians who deny climate change is not that they doubt the science (which they've probably not even reviewed in any detail), but they fear the political ramifications of taking the steps that the current best science indicates is needed.

Suppose you were the governor of a state and there was a large hurricane bearing down on your coastline. Twenty meteorologists predict it will make landfall on your coast, causing serious damage and potentially killing hundreds or thousands. One meteorologist predicts the storm will turn northward, bringing only some light rainfall. Evacuating the coast and positioning all the emergency response crews is expensive and disruptive. Do you take no action because there's one scientist who says there's no need to take action, or do you move to save lives if the the storm hits, as the vast majority of the scientists forecast?

As a political matter, there's not a governor in office who would take no action in the above hypothetical. So why would these same politicians take no action on climate change? The scientific consensus is just as strong, 20:1. The risk to property and lives is just as severe, with the high likelihood of billions of dollars in property losses. The difference is the time scale. The governor will be proven right or wrong in a matter of days with a hurricane, and his failure to act in the face of overwhelming evidence would almost surely cost him the next election. The pending climate change disaster takes longer to play out. Therefore the cost of addressing the problem (which has political costs, too) doesn't occur in the same election cycle as the payoff (disaster averted, property and lives saved). But this political calculus doesn't mean that the right course of action is to do nothing.

Remember that nothing in science is "proven." There is a theory of gravity, which does a very good job explaining everyday interactions between objects; there is a theory about how atoms and molecules interact, which allows modern chemistry, nuclear physics, and many other fields to move forward. But these theories are nothing more than that: hypotheses, supported by the vast preponderance of evidence. At this point, anyone who wanted to challenge either theory would have to bring some remarkably robust evidence to the table. It's possible that someday that will happen; that's how scientific revolutions occur.

In climate change, the vast preponderance of the evidence now supports the theory that human activity is the primary cause of an unprecedentedly rapid change in the planet's climate. This theory accords with intuition (dumping millions of tons of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere should have a cumulative effect) and the vast proportion of observations. Of course, any scientist who can bring substantial and robust evidence against this theory can and should. But policymakers should not be frozen in their tracks because there is a tiny minority of qualified scientists who remain skeptical, just as the governor should not fail to act just because each meteorologist doesn't agree.
 
All the naysaying is sad but not surprising; we humans have done this over and over. Watching the wonderful new Cosmos series on TV - on, ahem, Fox - and looking back at what the Galileos, the Newtons and so on had to deal with in the past before everyone came around to understanding their work, I'm not surprised that we are heading down the same path again.
 
Fred Singer writes in The American Thinker:
The just-published NIPCC reports may lead to a paradigm shift about what or who causes current climate changes. All the evidence suggests that Nature rules the climate – not Man.
Watch for it: We may be on the threshold of a tipping point in climate history. No, I’m not talking about a tipping point in the sense that the Earth will be covered with ice or become hellishly hot. I’m talking about a tipping point in our views of what controls the climate -- whether it’s mainly humans or whether it’s mainly natural. It makes an enormous difference in climate policy: Do we try to mitigate, at huge cost, or do we merely adapt to natural changes -- as our ancestors did for many millennia?
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But now, for the first time, we have NIPCC (Non-governmental International Panel on Climate Change) as a counter to the IPCC, as an independent voice, a second opinion, if you will -- something that was advocated by the IAC (InterAcademy Council on Science). We now have a credible number of studies, which the IPCC chose to ignore in reaching their conclusion about anthropogenic global warming (AGW). The NIPCC reports were also published in September 2013 (Physical Science), and in March and April of 2014 (Biological Impacts and Societal Impacts).
The NIPCC, in particular its Summary for Policy-Makers (SPM) of Vol 1, looks critically at the evidence that the IPCC uses to back up their claim of AGW. ...
NIPCC Conclusions in Brief
Backed by thousands of peer-reviewed studies, are in striking contrast to the IPCC’s alarmist predictions:
**Climate data tell us that the human impact on Earth’s climate is very small and that any warming due to GH gases will be so small as to be indiscernible from natural variability.
**The net impacts of modestly rising temperatures and higher carbon-dioxide levels on plants, animals, wildlife, and human welfare have been positive so far and are likely to continue to be positive.
**The costs of trying to mitigate climate change by reducing emissions vastly exceed the benefits. Annual cost per US household would run to some $3,900; would destroy millions of jobs.
**In light of the new science and economics of climate change, thousands of laws passed at the height of the global warming scare need to be re-evaluated, modified, or repealed.

 
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What will you do, when the consensus is proved a lie?

As summarized in previous posts, the basic science was clear more than 100 years ago. Unequivocal evidence of CO2 accumulation, the last open question, was provided by Keeling in the 1950's, and the scientific consensus was sufficiently solid by the 1980's that the world's governments determined that they should form and fund the IPCC and UNFCCC to assist them to effectively address the obvious threat posed by manmade climate change.

Summarized at: http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/show...arming-Discussion/page129?p=614363#post614363

Since that time the evidence of manmade climate change has become clearer and stronger with the result that every National Academy of Science (the gold standard for scientific proof) has increasingly strongly endorsed the consensus and no scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a formal opinion dissenting from any of the main points; the last was the American Association of Petroleum Geologists, which in 2007 updated its 1999 statement rejecting the likelihood of human influence on the climate.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

Every argument, and there are many, which has been advanced by the denier disinformation machine in an effort to falsely create the impression of scientific doubt, has been thoroughly and comprehensively debunked by cogent scientific evidence.

For example, see responses at: https://www.skepticalscience.com/

Even ExxonMobil, which has quite correctly been criticized for funding denier advocacy, agrees with the consensus and acknowledges the need to take effective action to reduce GHG emissions by putting a uniform price on GHG emissions across the country.

See: http://cdn.exxonmobil.com/~/media/Files/Other/2014/Report - Energy and Climate.pdf

In summary, the evidence of climate change is now clear, strong and compelling, and the science underlying it is uncontradicted by even those which have an economic interest in proving it wrong, and as such the science is far beyond a mere consensus (as has been repeatedly discussed and demonstrated throughout this thread).

In the context of this thread and the background it provides, let's turn to your carefully crafted "question":

What will you do, when the consensus is proved a lie?

A few observations.
  • The most obvious, especially in the context of this thread, is the absence of any reference to scientific evidence which raises any question or doubt whatsoever about the scientific consenus.
  • Equally clear, and all the more remarkable in the complete absence of any supporting evidence, is the statement that the "consensus" is a lie.
  • The unsupported statement of the falsity of the consensus is framed as a question for rhetorical effect, in the tradition of "when did you stop beating your wife?".
  • The reference to "when" it "is proved" presupposes the conclusion and clearly implies that the falsity of the consensus has been demonstrated but has merely not yet been fully proved (but will shortly be proved).
  • The form also endeavours to shift the focus onto the action that "you" will take, in an effort to distract the reader from the rhetorical form of the unsubstantiated assertion which follows.
The obvious care with which this statement has been crafted, and its complete failure to engage with the substance of the issue leads one to ask the question: Who, other than a denier troll, would post such a statement on this thread?
 
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I would be ecstatic if AGW were not true... I'd also like the ability to fly like Ironman... too bad our beliefs don't effect reality. Based on our knowledge of the laws of physics I think the Ironman thing is probably more likely to come true. There's probably a way to build a flying suit that does't violate the conservation of energy. More CO2 = Higher global temps and humanity is releasing ~3 Trillion pounds every year...
 
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I think anyone who denies the validity of science shouldn't be allowed to use the Internet. After all, electronics technology is all based on quantum mechanics, which is the most bizarre scientific theory ever created. Obviously your computer doesn't really work, so you shouldn't use it.

My point is, you can't pick and choose your reality.
 

Quick thoughts on the article.
1. Cold weather doesn't disprove global warming
2. Snowfall doesn't either, in fact increased snowfall can happen with global warming
3. U.S. seasonal temperatures do not reflect the global temperatures
4. Antarctic sea ice gain has nothing to do with land ice loss or Arctic sea ice loss
5. There is no global cooling, the world is not getting colder. What complete BS.
6. The claim that scientists are manipulating data is a complete lie
7. Sunspot activity alone is not adequate to explain global temperatures

Don't have time to address the sheer amount of misinformation in this article. This is a Gish Gallop on steroids. Thousands of commenters are eating up the propaganda. Is there hope for this world?
 
Quick thoughts on the article.
1. Cold weather doesn't disprove global warming
2. Snowfall doesn't either, in fact increased snowfall can happen with global warming
3. U.S. seasonal temperatures do not reflect the global temperatures
4. Antarctic sea ice gain has nothing to do with land ice loss or Arctic sea ice loss
5. There is no global cooling, the world is not getting colder. What complete BS.
6. The claim that scientists are manipulating data is a complete lie
7. Sunspot activity alone is not adequate to explain global temperatures

Don't have time to address the sheer amount of misinformation in this article. This is a Gish Gallop on steroids. Thousands of commenters are eating up the propaganda. Is there hope for this world?

Agree. We should remember that single climate events are not important to the purpose of calculating the deviation of Average Temperature of the Earth. Main thing is the calculation of the Average Temperature when done over the whole year.
 
I replied with a rather lengthy post, supporting my position, unfortunately, it would appear that moderator(s) deleted it, without allowing it to be posted. Sadly, what we see happening in the actual peer review journals for Climate science as well.

I am interested in what you have to say, although I'm pretty sure you are going to use an argument that I've already heard a thousand times. But if you got a great argument, throw it down.