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Unless you do a high mileage does anyone really care about fuel costs per mile? I’m looking for my first electric car (maybe) now that my employer is running a lease scheme, currently running a golf R. Despite the relatively high consumption of the Golf I can honestly say I’ve not once bothered to check what MPG I’m getting in 5 years of ownership. I simply don’t care enough. Petrol costs are a minor part of the TCO which includes monthly lease, car tax, insurance etc.our electricity is not cheap but there is a lot of tax on Petrol so. It breaks down like this.
petrol is about £6.70 per UK gallon. So if a car averages 40mpg that is 16.75p/mile
Electricity on the other hand ranges from:
50-90p per kwh for public charging
26p for standard domestic
7-9p for overnight rates
you can sell solar for 15p
so at 3miles per kwh ( including charging losses etc that is more than fair before anyone says they get 4) the price to run an EV is anywhere between 2.5p to 30p per mile. Most EV owners are nearer the 2.5p end I suspect at present so running an EV is typically much cheaper in fuel than a petrol car here
Not especially, but I do care about providers taking the piss, which is happening with the big three (and possibly Tesla as well, as their prices used to rise and fall with wholesale costs but have been static/increasing for a year).Unless you do a high mileage does anyone really care about fuel costs per mile?
If this is true :The lay-offs are a typical Musk ploy to remove the deadwood in his organisation.
As for e-fuels - LOL
Unless you do a high mileage does anyone really care about fuel costs per mile? I’m looking for my first electric .
I care.Unless you do a high mileage does anyone really care about fuel costs per mile? I’m looking for my first electric car (maybe) now that my employer is running a lease scheme, currently running a golf R. Despite the relatively high consumption of the Golf I can honestly say I’ve not once bothered to check what MPG I’m getting in 5 years of ownership. I simply don’t care enough. Petrol costs are a minor part of the TCO which includes monthly lease, car tax, insurance etc.
I think run costs per mile are even less of a consideration for electric cars where purchase price/monthly lease is higher, insurance is higher, de-creation is higher etc etc. Plus there is the cost of a home charger up front.
The average annual mileage in the UK is 6.6k. Not done the maths but I would question how many years you’d have to run an electric car before you broke even on that kind of mileage.
Definitely matters to me. Approaching retirement and will lose my company car allowance soon but am fortunate to now own my car outright now. Living off pensions/investments alone is going to be tough, so knowing I have very low fuel costs will let me enjoy retirement without worrying about the cost of fuel for a day out. If you haven't tried doing a retirement budget this is likely to go over your head though as you only have a finite pot that needs to be managed to last until you die.Unless you do a high mileage does anyone really care about fuel costs per mile? I’m looking for my first electric car (maybe) now that my employer is running a lease scheme, currently running a golf R. Despite the relatively high consumption of the Golf I can honestly say I’ve not once bothered to check what MPG I’m getting in 5 years of ownership. I simply don’t care enough. Petrol costs are a minor part of the TCO which includes monthly lease, car tax, insurance etc.
I think run costs per mile are even less of a consideration for electric cars where purchase price/monthly lease is higher, insurance is higher, de-creation is higher etc etc. Plus there is the cost of a home charger up front.
The average annual mileage in the UK is 6.6k. Not done the maths but I would question how many years you’d have to run an electric car before you broke even on that kind of mileage.
We never know.IF..if Elon had pushed to get the so called "$25K" EV produced and out..And not produced the CT, would things have been different as far as layoffs?
Looking into how many CT's have been sold..We never know.
But CT was on the cards for a long time. And Tesla being an American car company wouldn’t want to lose out on the huge truck market. Imagine Tesla losing out to Ford or GMs BEV trucks with all of them having NACS standard chargers. That will destroy Tesla in US.
Model 2 was always an afterthought, mainly after the success of Model 3&Y in Europe.
The goal is to produce 250,000 Cybertrucks a year, or about 62,500 a quarter. Musk says that the rate can be reached at some point in 2025. In the first quarter, Tesla probably made and delivered in the range of 3,500 Cybertrucks. Analysts use vehicle identification number registrations and other things to estimate production rates and volumes.We never know.
But CT was on the cards for a long time. And Tesla being an American car company wouldn’t want to lose out on the huge truck market. Imagine Tesla losing out to Ford or GMs BEV trucks with all of them having NACS standard chargers. That will destroy Tesla in US.
Model 2 was always an afterthought, mainly after the success of Model 3&Y in Europe.
MODEL | Q1 24 / Q1 23 | Q1 24 | Q1 23 | Q1 24 SHARE | Q1 23 SHARE |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
TOTAL | +72.70% | 13,372 | 7,743 | ||
FORD F-150 LIGHTNING | +80.45% | 7,743 | 4,291 | 58% | 55% |
RIVIAN R1T | -30.43% | 2,400 | 3,450 | 18% | 45% |
GMC HUMMER EV PICKUP | +82,885.07% | 1,668 | 2 | 12% | 0% |
CHEVROLET SILVERADO EV | * | 1,061 | * | 8% | 0% |
TESLA CYBERTRUCK | * | 500 | * | 4% | 0% |
They'll never sell 250k Cybertrucks a year.The goal is to produce 250,000 Cybertrucks a year, or about 62,500 a quarter. Musk says that the rate can be reached at some point in 2025. In the first quarter, Tesla probably made and delivered in the range of 3,500 Cybertrucks. Analysts use vehicle identification number registrations and other things to estimate production rates and volumes.
Ford sold 20,365 F-150 Lightning trucks so far in 2023, up from 13,258 in 2022 for a 53 percent increase. EVs accounted for a little under 8 percent of all US vehicle sales in the third quarter of 2023, according to Cox Automotive.Dec 11, 2023
Looks like Ford in the front by a wide margin.
MODEL Q1 24 / Q1 23 Q1 24 Q1 23 Q1 24 SHARE Q1 23 SHARE TOTAL +72.70% 13,372 7,743 FORD F-150 LIGHTNING +80.45% 7,743 4,291 58% 55% RIVIAN R1T -30.43% 2,400 3,450 18% 45% GMC HUMMER EV PICKUP +82,885.07% 1,668 2 12% 0% CHEVROLET SILVERADO EV * 1,061 * 8% 0% TESLA CYBERTRUCK * 500 * 4% 0%
I care.
I used to do 20K miles a year for 15 years and fuel made up 50% of my annual running costs and that included depreciation. So it was very important to me.
old habits die hard.
using your 6600 mile figure that means someone driving a petrol car doing 40mpg would spend £1,200 on fuel
doing the same in an EV would be £1320 public charging at 60p per kwh hour
or £165 on Octopus Go Intelligent
A 2020 Corsa-E starts at about 11k which is about £1000 more than the equivalent petrol. As things stand.
You don't think differences like that matter to someone spending in the region of £10k on a car?
Unless lots of other electricity usage is moved to ofpeak, the cost of the electricity use by the house is higher on Octopus Go Intelligent compard to Octopus tractor.£165 on Octopus Go Intelligent
The goal is to produce 250,000 Cybertrucks a year, or about 62,500 a quarter. Musk says that the rate can be reached at some point in 2025. In the first quarter, Tesla probably made and delivered in the range of 3,500 Cybertrucks. Analysts use vehicle identification number registrations and other things to estimate production rates and volumes.
Ford sold 20,365 F-150 Lightning trucks so far in 2023, up from 13,258 in 2022 for a 53 percent increase. EVs accounted for a little under 8 percent of all US vehicle sales in the third quarter of 2023, according to Cox Automotive.Dec 11, 2023
Looks like Ford in the front by a wide margin.
MODEL Q1 24 / Q1 23 Q1 24 Q1 23 Q1 24 SHARE Q1 23 SHARE TOTAL +72.70% 13,372 7,743 FORD F-150 LIGHTNING +80.45% 7,743 4,291 58% 55% RIVIAN R1T -30.43% 2,400 3,450 18% 45% GMC HUMMER EV PICKUP +82,885.07% 1,668 2 12% 0% CHEVROLET SILVERADO EV * 1,061 * 8% 0% TESLA CYBERTRUCK * 500 * 4% 0%