MarcG
Active Member
+3 for yoke-distaste. "Hate" is a strong word but I do strongly prefer the round wheel and stalks from the Model 3/Y.
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Which is why Tesla offers the choice on the Model S.It’s perfectly legit that there are people who don’t prefer/don’t like/hate the yoke.
It’s the disrespectful refusal by a limited few to accept there are people who prefer/like/love the yoke that is appalling.
Soooo obviously I’m not referring to you?I hate the yoke. I don’t know that I’m “very vocal.” I’ve never claimed to speak for anyone but me. And, I don’t think I’ve ever said another’s views are a lie. Sooo…
Sigh. My mistake for adding to this dumpster fire. I’ll see myself out…Which is why Tesla offers the choice on the Model S.
I think there is something we all can agree on. It isn't that it is a yoke. It is HOW Tesla implemented the yoke that it could have been so much better. The should have gone DBW or at least variable-ratio power steering.
Another thing I think they could have done a better job is the ability to wrap your hands around the wheel better at the 9&3 position. That is something that annoyed me since I was usually at 10&2 on a normal wheel and wrapped my fingers around. Now my fingers can't really wrap but more of a pinching motion.
If you look at the Lexus yoke, you can wrap your hands around the wheel at that position. In addition, they took advantage of the real estate on the yoke and added more buttons that are easier to get to than reaching a touch screen far away.
I think Tesla clearly got way ahead of their skis with respect to how well they thought FSD was working when they slapped a yoke on the car when you might actually have to drive it.
To be fair, the Lexus is drive-by-wire and only rotates about 150 degrees. There seems to be significant consensus that to go with a yoke you really need to do it the way Lexus has. Heck, Elon has basically admitted as much himself.
There are some things that even being a first mover they should have understood or at least thought about. Even if you aren't a pilot, it would be simple enough to google how a yoke as a control is typically used. Usually it is NOT in a situation were you do multiple turns lock to lock. You could ask any student pilot whose flown with one and they could tell.Laggards always get to benefit from the missteps of the first movers. Who really thinks Lexus would even have a yoke on anything if it weren't for the Plaid. Much like who thinks that the current crop of electric vehicles in the market would have happened had Tesla not shown them the market and forced their hand.
I will always be a fan of first movers. Those that aren't afraid to take their own off-ramp and head into uncharted water. They don't always come up with the best ideas and the first iteration of anything certainly will likely not be the best but it plants a seed. It blazes an unforeseen trail for others to follow that can then improve upon the idea and learn from it. The end result is we wind up with a better product at some point.
Vehicle development takes a while. Especially since they did it the right way and limited rotation to 150 degrees, this was probably in development well before the Plaid was originally announced.Laggards always get to benefit from the missteps of the first movers. Who really thinks Lexus would even have a yoke on anything if it weren't for the Plaid. Much like who thinks that the current crop of electric vehicles in the market would have happened had Tesla not shown them the market and forced their hand.
I will always be a fan of first movers. Those that aren't afraid to take their own off-ramp and head into uncharted water. They don't always come up with the best ideas and the first iteration of anything certainly will likely not be the best but it plants a seed. It blazes an unforeseen trail for others to follow that can then improve upon the idea and learn from it. The end result is we wind up with a better product at some point.
There are some things that even being a first mover they should have understood or at least thought about. Even if you aren't a pilot, it would be simple enough to google how a yoke as a control is typically used. Usually it is NOT in a situation were you do multiple turns lock to lock. You could ask any student pilot whose flown with one and they could tell.
This clearly was not an issue that was even remotely thought through. If they had put more effort into the implementation, I would agree with you however this was clearly half-@$$ed from the start. I could have told them shortly after I started flying, 40+ years ago, that their implementation of the yoke was way off base. Even a little more thought would have had a much better output than the far from optimal implementation we got.
There is getting it close and kudos to that but this wasn't even remotely close to what they could have done with it even taking into account when the started designing it. It was basically slap a different style control (yoke) and screw up the associated controls around it because we didn't have time to think it through. Instead of removing the stalks, they could have put the effort into a variable ratio power steering even if they couldn't get to a DBW system.
Even way back in 1997 Honda had a variable ratio power steering on the JDM Accord. So Tesla could have easily adopted 20+ tech and made it work on the S considering Honda could put it on a mainstream car like the Accord.
All they had to do with the car was have a few people drive it from a wide cross-section of users. A little beta testing would have gone a long way. They might have done that and just ignored the feedback anyway.Monday morning quarterbacking is always easy. Quarterbacking in real time in the game is hard.
And suddenly everyone is an expert on the nuances of steering yokes as opposed to steering wheels
My 1961 Imperial had a rectangular steering wheel which was quite odd for the time but it wasn't that big of a deal to figure out how to operate it and drive the car.
They didn't put a wheel on the car to run the Nurburgring.It is also quite telling that Tesla put a wheel on the car to run the Nurburgring course. That pretty much told me what they thought of the yoke and its current implementation for spirited driving. At least there they didn't have to worry about changing drive direction so lack of stalks wasn't an issue. Put it in D and go.
Seems not to really be needed with those small high speed turns. But might have helped. Definitely not city/parking lot driving. But damn, that looks fun.They didn't put a wheel on the car to run the Nurburgring.
I thought I saw one where they did. Maybe more than one video of the running it.They didn't put a wheel on the car to run the Nurburgring.
Maybe you're thinking of Randy Pobst's run up Pikes Peak last summer?I thought I saw one where they did. Maybe more than one video of the running it.