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I went picked up my Y with long haul model with 20 inches wheel today and according to the navigation app, at 80% charge, i will have 1% battery left to reach home for distance 155 miles. During the drive home, I documented at 10% charge, the car only drive 24 miles (60-70 mph on high way with AC on) Is this normal? It seems low to me.
All settings are at default when I picked up the car.
My friend owns the same model, he gets 250-280~ per 80% charge.

Any advice will greatly appreciated.
 
Actually sounds about right.

Give it time to learn its own self. It might need a few cycles of charge/discharge before it really knows its own limits with any accuracy.

Set it to % and don't worry about miles too much. Let the navigation tell you how much charge you'll have left at your destination and adjust before to fit your comfort level.

I always go for a target prediction of about 20% at the next charging stop, in case I hit a headwind and need a bit extra.

For day today day around town, I divide my daily % usage average by 2, add 50% and set may charge level to that.

So I use about 10% per day. Set to 55 most days, end at 45. Charge back up to 55 overnight. Battery is happiest this way. Weekends we often take road trips, so I charge to 80-90 depending on where I'm going, sometimes to 100 if it's a long trip. (maybe 5 or 6 times).

At 30,000 miles, 38% super charging, I have 4.5% degradation. (also we have cold winters, months at a time below freezing, so that's probably a bigger factor than anything for preserving the battery).

Nothing is wrong with your car, you'll get a feel for how it works over time. Be patient, relax, everything is fine.
 
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I went picked up my Y with long haul model with 20 inches wheel today and according to the navigation app, at 80% charge, i will have 1% battery left to reach home for distance 155 miles. During the drive home, I documented at 10% charge, the car only drive 24 miles (60-70 mph on high way with AC on) Is this normal? It seems low to me.
All settings are at default when I picked up the car.
My friend owns the same model, he gets 250-280~ per 80% charge.

Any advice will greatly appreciated.
Also you are comparing two different things - real world miles on an actual drive vs. EPA rated miles. When your friend says they are at 280 miles on an 80% charge - that is just what the display says and it is just rated range. And, you could actually achieve that if you had 1 person in the car, a tailwind, 70 degrees out, and maybe a 1% downgrade the entire way and the AC off. But in the real world you won't actually be driving very close to the EPA rated range and like the other response said - let the navigation tell you as it does a pretty decent job giving you the real world numbers and takes into account hills, temperature, etc. It doesn't do wind very well, but some of the recent updates have tried to account for that better too.
 
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Thank you for sharing your experience, truly appreciated. I had the car for only few days and totally felt in love with it, it rides so nice and smoothly.
I have been reading the owner manual for the past few days to learn more about the setting on the vehicle. My auto start failed on me, I am not yet figuring out why. :)
Again, thank you.
 
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First road trip with my new Model Y LR. 994 miles, 254 watts/mile. 1/867 total miles on the car since 9/1. Last Supercharging session charged to 80% - 263 miles. 200 mountain/interstate miles to home. Made it home with 30 miles range remaining, I skipped the recommended intermediate charging stop. For most of the drive, my distance remaining was more than range remaining. But I also had a significant downhill and three additional Superchargers I could utilize, if needed. Main thing for a new owner-- use the in-vehicle trip planner and enjoy stress-free road trips.
 
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Recently bought Model Y long range. Have question on battery charging and discharge. The car took 49kwh to charge from 17% to 80% but to discharge from 80% to 17%, it only gave me 44kwh (metric shown in trips section, "since charge") see images below.

Is this normal behavior of the model Y battery?
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Recently bought Model Y long range. Have question on battery charging and discharge. The car took 49kwh to charge from 17% to 80% but to discharge from 80% to 17%, it only gave me 44kwh (metric shown in trips section, "since charge") see images below.

Is this normal behavior of the model Y battery?
Thank you
The Trip odometer (since last charge) only shows kWh consumed while driving. The additional 5kWh was consumed by preconditioning, sitting in the Tesla Model Y exploring the vehicle settings with the Climate Control active and while parked, locked with Sentry Mode enabled. The Tesla Model Y remains in Standby mode whenever Sentry mode is active, consumes 5 to 6 kWh over a 24 hour period when in Standby mode. When Sentry mode is not enabled the Tesla Model Y will enter Sleep mode, consume ~1/10th as much power as when in Standby mode.
 
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The Trip odometer (since last charge) only shows kWh consumed while driving. The additional 5kWh was consumed by preconditioning, sitting in the Tesla Model Y exploring the vehicle settings with the Climate Control active and while parked, locked with Sentry Mode enabled. The Tesla Model Y remains in Standby mode whenever Sentry mode is active, consumes 5 to 6 kWh over a 24 hour period when in Standby mode. When Sentry mode is not enabled the Tesla Model Y will enter Sleep mode, consume ~1/10th as much power as when in Standby mode.
Thank you
 
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I went picked up my Y with long haul model with 20 inches wheel today and according to the navigation app, at 80% charge, i will have 1% battery left to reach home for distance 155 miles. During the drive home, I documented at 10% charge, the car only drive 24 miles (60-70 mph on high way with AC on) Is this normal? It seems low to me.
All settings are at default when I picked up the car.
My friend owns the same model, he gets 250-280~ per 80% charge.

Any advice will greatly appreciated.
Go look at the lifetime average consumption in both your and your friends car. If the consumption is about the same the range also will.
If he drives slower, and have a lower consumption of course the range will be higher.
 
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Finding the same thing.
New model y, charged twice to 80% and both times managed only 150 miles. Surely that’s poor. Averaging under 300w/kWh. Almost everything turned off
Energy app says 51 miles lost to various factors. Fair enough but that still only adds up to just over 200 miles and not anything like the 258 it advised when 80% charged. Where did the other 50 plus miles go?
I honestly feel like I’ve been duped by the Tesla hype. 150 miles for 80%!!!!
 
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Finding the same thing.
New model y, charged twice to 80% and both times managed only 150 miles. Surely that’s poor. Averaging under 300w/kWh. Almost everything turned off
Energy app says 51 miles lost to various factors. Fair enough but that still only adds up to just over 200 miles and not anything like the 258 it advised when 80% charged. Where did the other 50 plus miles go?
I honestly feel like I’ve been duped by the Tesla hype. 150 miles for 80%!!!!
This is probably during multple drives.
Stop counting the miles you get on obe charhe splitted on multiple drives.

Do you use sentry mode?
Sentry will use about 7% per day.

The advertisement has to be the EPA range per law. The EPA test is not highway at high speed, and it is at the optimum temp for long range. It is also not several short drives with the sebtry mode active between.
Try charging to 100%, drive a day with about 23C / 74F, drive 50 mph in a single drive, and drive until the car stops (which is about 4.7% longer than to 0%. This because the buffer is used in the EPA test).

You might feel like they tricked you but the you did not know about the conditions that the EPA test use?
 
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No sentry mode but certainly mainly regular short journeys at present around 16 miles each. Temperature also been 10oC and below.
Still don’t understand why miles + lost miles due to variables doesn’t equal EPA range.

Now can’t get app to work. Constantly trying to connect. Seems to have given up on my way home as location has me still a few miles short of my destination 7 hours after I completed my journey.
 
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No sentry mode but certainly mainly regular short journeys at present around 16 miles each. Temperature also been 10oC and below.
Still don’t understand why miles + lost miles due to variables doesn’t equal EPA range.

Now can’t get app to work. Constantly trying to connect. Seems to have given up on my way home as location has me still a few miles short of my destination 7 hours after I completed my journey.
1: You need +23C
2: You need to shut of the AC/Clima
3: You can not have different drives, each needing to heat or coo, the cabin.

When you drove from 80%, how much was the consumption in Wh/mile or Wh/km?
 
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Hi all,

Happy new year! I just purchased a new model Y (Dec 28) and immediately after purchase drove it from near Dedham dealer (Boston) to Hanover, NH, about 150 miles. The battery went from 80% (initial charge at dealer) to about 13% after trip. I was surprised as this implied a range much shorter than stated 330 miles on this model (Y Long Range AWD). The weather was not that cold (mostly 45 degrees F) and we set temperature to 65 degrees inside. However, since it rained the whole time, wipers were on entire trip. We returned yesterday (Dec 31) and though wipers were not on at all, got similar range. Most of the driving was at about 70 miles per hour. When I inquired at the dealer, adviser stated it takes 4-5 charging cycles for range to improve. My kids were definitely anxious to see the expected range go down so fast. Since both portions of the trip saw similar discharge rate (about 65-68% discharge over 150 miles driving), we are concerned if this would be the case in the colder weather in this area.

Did anyone else hear this about the model Y (I am thinking this is not specific to model Y) that range improves after 4-5 cycles? Thanks.

Vijay
 
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Hi all,

Happy new year! I just purchased a new model Y (Dec 28) and immediately after purchase drove it from near Dedham dealer (Boston) to Hanover, NH, about 150 miles. The battery went from 80% (initial charge at dealer) to about 13% after trip. I was surprised as this implied a range much shorter than stated 330 miles on this model (Y Long Range AWD). The weather was not that cold (mostly 45 degrees F) and we set temperature to 65 degrees inside. However, since it rained the whole time, wipers were on entire trip. We returned yesterday (Dec 31) and though wipers were not on at all, got similar range. Most of the driving was at about 70 miles per hour. When I inquired at the dealer, adviser stated it takes 4-5 charging cycles for range to improve. My kids were definitely anxious to see the expected range go down so fast. Since both portions of the trip saw similar discharge rate (about 65-68% discharge over 150 miles driving), we are concerned if this would be the case in the colder weather in this area.

Did anyone else hear this about the model Y (I am thinking this is not specific to model Y) that range improves after 4-5 cycles? Thanks.

Vijay
Read a little bsck in the thread.

Range on display = EPA range.

EPA range = tested range at relstiveöy low speed at optimum putside tempersture with the AC = off.

You can do EPA range at +23C / 75F, if you drive on a flat surface at about 50 mph.

Colder means much higher consumption.
Thats life!
 
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Hi all,

Happy new year! I just purchased a new model Y (Dec 28) and immediately after purchase drove it from near Dedham dealer (Boston) to Hanover, NH, about 150 miles. The battery went from 80% (initial charge at dealer) to about 13% after trip. I was surprised as this implied a range much shorter than stated 330 miles on this model (Y Long Range AWD). The weather was not that cold (mostly 45 degrees F) and we set temperature to 65 degrees inside. However, since it rained the whole time, wipers were on entire trip. We returned yesterday (Dec 31) and though wipers were not on at all, got similar range. Most of the driving was at about 70 miles per hour. When I inquired at the dealer, adviser stated it takes 4-5 charging cycles for range to improve. My kids were definitely anxious to see the expected range go down so fast. Since both portions of the trip saw similar discharge rate (about 65-68% discharge over 150 miles driving), we are concerned if this would be the case in the colder weather in this area.

Did anyone else hear this about the model Y (I am thinking this is not specific to model Y) that range improves after 4-5 cycles? Thanks.

Vijay
Welcome to Tesla Life, and Happy New Year!

I never heard that, but I have heard it might take a few charge cycles for the battery management system to calibrate.

I never got the 25 EPA mpg promised by my last ICE car either. More like 18-19 mpg.

Since you are new to Tessies, my advice is to set the battery to percent, not mileage. Then it is more like a gas gage, Full to Empty. Just tap (in the app or car) on the mileage to change to percent.

When going on a trip out of town that will use most of the battery, use the navigation even if you know the way. That way if you need to stop at a SuC the car will navigate to one for you and will precondition the battery for the fastest charging experience. It will also give you less range anxiety. I have found in my experience the car is very accurate in predicting the battery SOC you will have when you reach your destination or the next SuC.

For daily driving, I recommend you charge to whatever percentage you find you need, not to 80% unless you need 80% every day. In my case, I use 10 to 30 percent for daily driving, so I charge to 50% each night, which is the lowest you can charge and also gives me a comfortable margin. If you are going to be doing a lot of driving the next day, bump it up to perhaps 70 to 80 percent. After a few weeks or months you will get a feeling for what this needs to be for your driving situation. Until you are experienced, it might be best to charge to 80% for daily driving, but charging to no more than you need will give you slightly less battery degradation over time.

Or if this is too much to deal with don't worry about it, charge to 80% for daily driving, enjoy the car, and don't worry about the slightly increased degradation.

For a road trip, I charge to 90% the night before, then whilst I am getting ready in the morning bump it up to 100% and leave with the car's SOC at from 95 to 100 percent. Keep in mind that when you reach your destination, you need to be sure you have a high enough SOC to not only reach your destination, but also to get to a SuC once you leave your destination. Usually not a concern unless you are going somewhere that is far from the closest SuC.

I love driving our Tessies, they are fun cars to drive and I find I am driving more than I used to in my ICE car.

Hope this is helpful.

Eric
 
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It will take several weeks for The Tesla Model Y to collect data on your driving style. The Tesla Model Y will also collect data as you charge the Tesla Model Y over a wide range of state of charge. Set Sentry Mode to be Off at your home location so that the battery management system (BMS) can periodically perform open cell voltage measurements while the Tesla Model Y is parked and in Sleep mode. When Sentry mode is active this keeps the Tesla Model Y in Standby mode. Standby mode also consumes about 10X more power than does Sleep mode (about 6kWh every 24 hours for Standby mode.)

The Navigation system will factor your recent driving history, posted speed limits, outdoor temperature, weather, traffic and elevation changes when estimating your consumption and the battery remaining charge upon arrival. The range number displayed next to the battery is solely based on the EPA data that Tesla submitted and does not consider these variables. Many Tesla owners prefer to switch the displayed value next to the battery to read out the % state of charge (SOC) instead of the EPA estimated remaining range value.) Tap the displayed value on the Tesla screen or within the Tesla app to switch between these two values.

For daily use Tesla recommends only charging up to 80% but for the BMS to periodically perform cell balancing (separate from OCV measurement) you need to charge close to 100%.

The main thing that you can control that affects the driving efficiency of the Tesla Model Y is your average highway speed. Above 50 MPH every 5 MPH increase or decrease in speed affects your efficiency by almost 10%. Driving in the rain will further reduce your efficiency (the tires must continuously push a tiny wall of water out of from in front of the tire tread as your drive.) Cross winds and head winds will affect your efficiency.

Set the Climate Control to Auto and your preferred temperature (I prefer 71F for comfort) Be sure that the HVAC fan speed is set to Medium or Hi when the Climate Control is in Auto mode as this functions as as speed limiter for the HVAC fan. If the HVAC fans is set to Low (when The Climate Control is in the Auto setting) the Climate Control system may not be able to adequately defog the windows or warm the passenger cabin. Set the front seat heaters and steering wheel heater to Auto and these will be turned on whenever you precondition the Tesla Model Y.

Precondition while plugged in (if possible) especially in the A.M. before you leave home. You can also precondition when not plugged in. If you follow a set schedule each weekday or every day you can set the Preconditioning to occur at the same time each day. Else you can precondition by turning on the Climate Control using the Tesla phone app by tapping on the fan icon on the main app screen. Unless it is extremely cold you may find that you only need to Precondition for ~10 minutes. If parked outside when there is snow and ice on your Tesla vehicle you can activate the Defrost vehicle option using one button. The Defrost option is found within the Tesla app.

Under Pedals & Steering turn on option to blend the friction brakes with regenerative braking whenever regenerative braking is reduced or unavailable. Most often this is due to the battery being too cold, reducing regenerative braking. When you blend the friction brakes you don't notice any difference in the way the Tesla Model Y slows even when regenerative braking is reduced. This setting has the benefit of reducing the time that would need otherwise spend preconditioning the Tesla Model Y as less battery warming is needed. With blended friction braking enabled the Tesla Model Y drives, slows as expected as you lift your foot from the accelerator pedal even with a cold battery.

When the battery is cold the Tesla Model Y will display a blue snow flake next to the battery icon on the Tesla screen and in the Tesla app. You can drive when the battery is cold and not notice any loss of performance under normal driving. When the battery is cold the Tesla Model Y BMS will automatically warm the battery prior to charging and for optimum driving performance. When battery warming is taking there will be an icon of 3 vertical squiggle lines indicating a resistance heating grid displayed.

When Supercharging be sure to use the Navigation system to navigate to the Supercharger so that the The Tesla Model Y will automatically Precondition the battery for optimal Supercharging. Depending on the battery temperature and outside temperature Preconditioning for Supercharging may begin while your are still some distance (perhaps 30 minutes/30 miles) from the Supercharger location.
 
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Welcome to Tesla Life, and Happy New Year!

I never heard that, but I have heard it might take a few charge cycles for the battery management system to calibrate.

I never got the 25 EPA mpg promised by my last ICE car either. More like 18-19 mpg.

Since you are new to Tessies, my advice is to set the battery to percent, not mileage. Then it is more like a gas gage, Full to Empty. Just tap (in the app or car) on the mileage to change to percent.

When going on a trip out of town that will use most of the battery, use the navigation even if you know the way. That way if you need to stop at a SuC the car will navigate to one for you and will precondition the battery for the fastest charging experience. It will also give you less range anxiety. I have found in my experience the car is very accurate in predicting the battery SOC you will have when you reach your destination or the next SuC.

For daily driving, I recommend you charge to whatever percentage you find you need, not to 80% unless you need 80% every day. In my case, I use 10 to 30 percent for daily driving, so I charge to 50% each night, which is the lowest you can charge and also gives me a comfortable margin. If you are going to be doing a lot of driving the next day, bump it up to perhaps 70 to 80 percent. After a few weeks or months you will get a feeling for what this needs to be for your driving situation. Until you are experienced, it might be best to charge to 80% for daily driving, but charging to no more than you need will give you slightly less battery degradation over time.

Or if this is too much to deal with don't worry about it, charge to 80% for daily driving, enjoy the car, and don't worry about the slightly increased degradation.

For a road trip, I charge to 90% the night before, then whilst I am getting ready in the morning bump it up to 100% and leave with the car's SOC at from 95 to 100 percent. Keep in mind that when you reach your destination, you need to be sure you have a high enough SOC to not only reach your destination, but also to get to a SuC once you leave your destination. Usually not a concern unless you are going somewhere that is far from the closest SuC.

I love driving our Tessies, they are fun cars to drive and I find I am driving more than I used to in my ICE car.

Hope this is helpful.

Eric
Thanks Eric, this is helpful. I agree that the % seems to be more accurate than the miles range. I need at least 180+ miles range as driving son to school back and forth is 160 miles per day, this is one reason I got the Tesla. Luckily we have enough SuC at both ends (home, school) so we can manage. Agree the car is fun to drive (I have been renting Teslas for some time at Hertz)

BTW I don't know if this is the right forum, but does anyone have experience with using a Powerwall to charge the car? We are planning to get a Level 2 charger installed shortly but I am told that it will take 4-5 hours, curious if a Powerwall can speed it up! Thanks, Vijay
 
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