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Because he's lying to you and you still tolerate it. Read the writing on the wall. You picked the wrong shepherd.

"Officer! Officer! Help, I've been robbed! I just a bought a car and they wouldn't let me test drive it and told me they don't accept returns so I bought it anyway. Turns out the car sucks. Can you help me?" Officer: "Sir, have you been drinking this morning?"

Read their glassdoor reviews. Their internal culture is incredibly toxic. And over the last few years the reports of poor service, late/lost deliveries, delays on refunds, etc., are undeniable. It's time to call b***s*** on this continued claim it was just "that one guy".

Bring him a 6 pack of Brawndo.

Uh, no, I think I see his "demons" pretty clearly: he gave a company a truckload of money and they're responding with telling him via an impersonal text message he owes even more because they hired an idiot who doesn't know the tax laws to navigate transactions that easily top 100k. When that...

So once again the most charitable explanation for a failure on Tesla's part is 'gross incompetence'. From a supposed tech company that's going to deliver a million self-driving cars next year.

Yes, the thousands of companies that have a significant CS footprint. How HOW do they handle those marketing calls??!!! Tesla's service just sucks. No need to invent an alternate reality to rationalize it.

I work in tech. Support in the tech world is quite acceptable these days. Even the outsourced support to other countries. It costs more, but it's much better. I just point this out because a lot of Tesla comparisons are outdated. People compare the dealership model of today with basically the...

It's not like Tesla has all those things in a box somewhere and they're just hanging on to them. They can't deliver them because they aren't ready. And the truth is, FSD (or even AS) are not guarantees. It's time to align with reality. The "bone" you're wishing Tesla would throw you is games...

Another scenario to consider is if Tesla is chasing quarterly numbers as they have been, who will get priority: New cars going out the door or retrofits for customers' whose money they already have?

So no HW3, 300 miles on the ODO and not willing to work with you on that, and now another issue that should have been caught way earlier in QC/Inspection. If I experienced even half this fiasco when picking up my $16k-out-the-door Sentra I would have walked from the deal.

Pretty sure joking/trolling.

Did you buy it private party or from Tesla's used inventory?

No, they didn't. They showed their new computer and what developments are being made on the software side. Then Elon described his idea of a robo-taxi service. Then there was a QA session (which in my opinion, Elon really struggled with). After that, the QA session was ended and he invited...

Pricing strategy is not just because of the incentives and bureaucracy of dealer networks. They also exist to set consumer expectations. When you buy a 60k car, part of ownership is the cachet that goes with it. If your 60k car is now just a 50k car, that doesn't feel good. Imagine if you...

People keep talking about "regulatory agencies". There are none for autonomous driving. Pilot testing processes barely exist. There are no regulatory approval processes or guidelines in place under existing agencies like the NHTSA. It's mostly a law-free sandbox at this point. Tesla doesn't...

If you ignore the nags, I believe the vehicle stops on its own, correct?

Your expectations deviated so dramatically from what you received and experienced that you're wondering if this is "normal" and if it's okay for you to be upset. No, it's not normal, and yes, you should be upset. Now I see the latest tesla apologist argument is that "they aren't a luxury...

I also wonder if it's because luxury Euro consumers are taking a "wait and see" because of the upcoming Jaguar and Porsche.

This is why most car companies do model years, even if there are very few or no changes. It gives them a reason to do price revisions on a schedule that consumers are, generally speaking, comfortable with. It creates and apples to apples basis for comparison. The case of EVs is complicated by...

People are reporting price cuts in other countries as well.

Frunkly my darling, I don't give a damn.

I can't believe all the gaslighting and teslasplaining in this thread. The terms OP posted are clear as day. Yes, every company includes a "get out of jail" clause but the ones that exercise it are the ones sending the message they don't respect their customers, or no longer value the ones who...

You're about 10,000% more patient than I am. For what it's worth (and not to throw more cold water on your situation), but I checked out the inventory and so-called "production constrained" stories myself. There are hundreds of Model 3s, probably well over 1000 at the Factory alone, and in...

You are describing Chapter 7 bankruptcy (liquidation). In that case, yes, a 3rd party would buy the relevant assets to make repairs possible (and more importantly: profitable). The catch is they'll limit their exposure to what they can profitably repair and which customers are willing to pay...

Yes, it doesn't add up. A simple set of criteria applied to a purchase or account is a trivial matter in any ERP system, particularly one managed by a "tech company" like Tesla.

While that's plausible, Tesla has no history of waiting until they're sure. The opposite is true. So either this is a sign of the company taking a vastly different approach to product maturity, or the alternatives (among which I described) are more likely.

They would own an orphan car less the cost of the FSD cost. That's not the same as "just as screwed". That $ difference is three reasonably equipped Apple computers. Even in a case such as that, 3rd parties would still provide repairs and maintenance, but FSD development would cease. So I...

Yup. People are trying to hash out the silver lining because they're starting to suspect that FSD may never come. We're in some weird straddle between Denial and Bargaining. Like "If X and Y and Z all happen, then maybe FSD can still happen. But if X and Y and Z don't happen, Tesla still...

This simply doesn't happen in business unless communication is worse than silence. So while people assume the problem is simply bad communication and logistics, the underlying truth is probably worse.

Assuming that's true, why would they not say: "After xyz date, the cost to pre-order will go up to $xxxx"? The only logical reason in that scenario is because they don't know how much more the retrofits would cost and therefore cannot work out a viable pre-order selling price. And that can...

Shorts are helping Tesla. As are auto haulers, body shops, the Swedish government, the SEC, big oil and big auto. All of these groups of people have been scape-goated for various Tesla shortcomings and create (for some) a convincing "us vs them" narrative of being on the righteous side of "the...

The Stockholm syndrome in this thread is interesting: 1. You KNOW Elon over-promises... 2. Paying for FSD wasn't a guarantee of ever getting it. You should be happy with just funding it's development and "the mission". 3. It doesn't matter what 'FSD' implies. It's your fault if you assumed...

Market would 1) not be fooled by the promise of dividends absent some sort of a track record of profitability or, at the very minimum, a strong cash surplus on-hand. 2) Would more likely be seen as desperate (hail mary-like), and draw in more negative attention and speculation.

In terms of insurance, it took me 15 minutes to set up a policy online after I bought a car recently. It was a private party sale and I didn't set it up in advance in case of shenanigans. After the transaction, I drove the car about a mile to a cafe, got a coffee and whipped out the laptop...

That tweet caused a short squeeze that cost investors an estimated 1.6B. Regardless of how you feel about short sellers, if you lie to destroy their positions, there are consequences. Not to mention, longs who piled in on the news got burned when it reversed. Why it's a big deal is only...

If the incentive is worth it to you, I'd go for it. That said, with all the delivery delay and quality issues being shared, I would not give them the money until you've seen, inspected and driven the car. I would also not accept a car with flaws under the assurance they'll be corrected in a...

I've been lurking here for around a month, which still isn't very long. Yes, if what I described was taking place it would amount to fraud.

How can they not know this? There is no freight carrier that doesn't know where it's trucks are at all times. There's no reasonable explanation as to why that info would be unavailable to a 50B car company. Something isn't right.

Here is a very pessimistic view of what could be going on. I'm not saying this IS what' is going on. Do your own research. Draw your own conclusions. You take money from Customer A. You put that money in the accounting system. That makes your cash position look better. Then you make up...

I'm pretty convinced that's what's going on. I suspected it a week ago when they did the "reservation holders, come get a "close enough" car right away" sale. But then on-the-ground people confirming if they had cash-in-hand they could drive a M3 off the lot with no reservation. Squeaky...

I appreciate you taking the time to help prospective buyers, but at the same time, I disagree with your suggested explanation. Remember at one time Tesla was considered a tech company first and a car company a distant second? How is it that this cutting edge Silicon Valley 3.0 company that...

I would strongly recommend not making any sort of payments until you have seen your car and inspected it thoroughly. Don't sign any paperwork until you've inspected the car. Don't agree to any sort of rushed inspection. This is one of the most important financial transactions of your life...