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It's not a tax tax credit it's a point of sale discount. Big differences. Do you know how instant rebate works? That's how the EV credit is going to be next year. It may or may not cause the RWD bought today to tank 10k in 6 months but you can bet it'll tank. No one in their right mind will...

If you can wait until Jan 1st, 2024 it'll be a point of sale discount as oppose to tax credit. If you don't need the car now, just hold out since the older model 3 will tank further in value. In 6 months these RWD model 3 will be below 30k. It's just simple market forces pushing down the...

Just installed some mild springs with the 1.5" drop and there is a bunch of clicking on the driver side. Any time there is travel, there is a clicking noise. Doesn't seem to happen when driving straight. I'm not sure about their other products but their 1.5" spring is absolutely trash. Stick...

Take the trade in offer and run.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

It's crazy how Tesla can downgrade the car you bought to protect it's own interest. I wonder how ICE buyers would feel if they bought a 500HP car and then their car turned into 250HP after a software update. I think Tesla should right their wrongs and just replace the battery packs. Then again...

If you can get it for 42k then you should. 36k is insane. Even the trade in at Tesla is higher.

Looks like 190-200 range. Similar to the Audi suv E-tron.

From Page 27 Porsche Taycan Brochure IV. Drive power Extremely sporty driving or charging at a fast-charging pedestal can result in an increase in battery temperature and, therefore, in temporarily reduced drive power. Due to the physical environment, the maximum power required to achieve the...

Not really the same comparison at all... you get more range and speed for 50k..

@whitex i'm done making my point. Anyone can make argument with any point but the facts is that Porsche's so called "AP" is inferior to Tesla. Model S AP > Taycan's AP (Tesla's AP at the moment isn't even that great, if you want a no hands experience try comma ai) Tesla Charging > Electrify...

https://www.porsche.com/usa/models/panamera/panamera-models/assistance-systems/porsche-innodrive/ This is not Autopilot, at a 100k differences it should have AP1 at the minimum.

Let see, the original Model S spec design was in 2008 was prototype in 2009 and debut in at the end of 2012. At the time, BEV was cutting edge and there was no other car company out said it was possible to make a Model S. Fast forward to 2014 when the Mission E debut, Posche had half a decade...

Seems like a missed opportunity for Porsche. They started working on this car in 2014 and this is the best they can do? The physical demension is nearly identical with less range and less tech from a car that came out in 2013. All specs aside, Porsche does have excellent build quality but it...

Interesting! So it's probably somewhere between 50-75kwh.

The best deal was probably the LR+no options but the MR+ premium interior and a software limited battery pack isn't half bad with the white interior being available now.

Just a tad over 40%... 89k - 40% = 53400. Are you still going to buy a gas guzzler? lol

It's his DAILY DRIVER. Take your blinders off man.

This is factoring if someone is willing to paying MSRP. Who pays MSRP off a dealer's lot? You can probably get the civic for 25k off the lot with TTL. 2018 Civic Touring Invoice MSRP Base $24,794 $26,700 Options $0 $0 Destination $890 $890 Total $25,684 $27,590 *

I'm not sure I get your point. Other car manufacture sell millions of cars a year who can post a profit while Tesla is burning cash through expansion. This will hurt EV adoption for Tesla more than other manufactures. The big names like Toyota, Ford, Honda, Nissan etc can afford to slowly...

The house bill says No to EV tax incentive while the Senate version as of (2 weeks ago) said Yes. The bill needs to be amended through reconciliation. Things are looking bleak for the EV tax credit since the Tax Reform bill needs to make cuts in order to keep it below the 1.5T deficit.

It’ll probably end in Q2’18 and further reduced by 1/2 until the funds are exhausted.

Hmmm if the ev tax credits are gone, 3 of my relatives are going to cancel their deposit. On the flip side, those who are waiting will get faster priority. One of them said, “it’s not worth getting if the 7500 is going away” Keep in mind these are middle class income earners between 75,000 -...

It also comes with free panel gaps and unaligned trims :D

Good for you but that doesn’t mean it’s not a nice car. I just simply stated that it’s nice in its own way. No need to give me the spill about it running in ICE. Thanks captain obvious.

Why so much hate? The i8 is nice in it's own way.

I challenge you to walk down a Toyota Lexus Dealership and look for unaligned trims and body panels. You will have to look hours at the dealership while you can spot an unaligned trim from Tesla 10-30 feet away. The world's most efficient automakers, such as Toyota, average...

So what you're saying is that Tesla has achieved the level of Toyota's quality at 90% (an industry best) to 10% defective cars coming out of the assembly line?

The worst part about this is that the Model S has been out for nearly 5 years and there is still a shortage of parts. Model 3 won't do any better when it finally launches for mass ev adopters.

I think the bumper is 3k from unplugged. Anywhere from 4-5k installed.

Didn't you just get this Jimmy? Upgrading again?

Seeking Alpha is garbage but some of the stuff they mention will come to ring true if production numbers for the Model 3 doesn't go up.

+1 for refresh. The new fascia makes it look so much better.

Obviously some of you are willing to deal with service with fit and fitment issues. What happens if your hours away from the nearest service center? There have been incidents where people are waiting days and weeks to get their Model S and X fixed. Tesla fan catalogs 10 months of Model S...

Apple had the bend gate with the 6 and 6 plus and people went crazy because of the poor quality. Unaligned trims, poor panel gap and bad QA will eat into Tesla's market share. 2019/2020 isn't that far out and when the big players go all in. What will Tesla do? They still have fit and finish...

People will wait in line for hours just to get a single of ice cream. When something is free, people will tend to abuse it.

I was told by my OA in Fremont that the cutout date for California is somewhere around 11/26. But he said order on the 20th just to be safe.

Do you honestly believe top earners of the 39.6% tax bracket pays 39.6% of their gross income on taxes? If they're paying 39.6% of then they are doing something wrong. You should never pay that much in taxes if you can take advantage of the all the deductions that is available to high income...

IMO, they made the Model 3 too good of a value in comparison to the Model S. Model 3LR - 44000 Model S75 RWD - 70000 (when it was available) That's a differences of 26000 for more or less the same car. Sure you get more performance but you also lose more range. So in comparing a base model 3...

This is true, my friend's BMW X5 caught on fire and burned down his whole dash.

@bkp_duke We get it, you're for less taxes and for more tax cuts. What's strange to me is that you are against government handouts such as the EV tax incentive but you are for TAX cuts that favors the rich (you can't have it bought ways). Also, that 25% pass-through tax is nothing but another...

A lot of you seem to forget that tax incentives are used to level the playing field. How much was solar just a decade ago? Now its cheaper than all other sources of energy. These are the same arguments people made 2-3 decades ago about solar being more expensive and less efficient then fossil...

Tesla has at at least 2 quarters left to claim the full 7500 rebate before Q2 hits in 2018. But if Tax reform pass then that means no one gets anything at all after 12/31/2017. If someone of you really believe EV incentive doesn't really affect Tesla then you need to look at countries and...

Looks like I gotta start stock piling cash to buy real estate at rock bottom prices.

I thought you can set your doors to remember GPS location? Can GPS only be set for 1 FWD and not the other?

So much for being a top OA who repeatably ignores your email. If you really want the car then I would say escalate it. However, Alliant CU only has a 60 day lock and that would make things difficult such as ordering a new car or finding inventory.

I'm not sure if this is related to the new AP2 firmware or not but I was driving back from Carlsbad CA and I saw a white Model X who tried to use auto lane change to the left but it kept on ping ponging between it's own lane. After a while the X took off straight and manually took control and...

It may or may not happen during an underpass. Doesn't happen every time but on occasion it will happen.

Top 4 most common issue with AP2 1) Ping pong between lines 2) AP2 loves to hug either the right or left lane makers making it too close for comfort. 3) Suddenly braking down to 45mph out of no where when crossing an underpass. 4) Getting confused when there are tar lines on the road and...

Tesla semi truck unveil event 'tentatively' set for October 26. Delayed to November. Oddly enough that's the same day inventory is being shut down. There must be some major announcements coming up with the 1000 discount going away by the end of the month. What can we confirm? -Tesla is working...