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This is classic 8th grade level argumentation--mischaracterize the opposing argument and then attack that mischaracterization. If you want to argue that Elon can and should go to the border, then fine, make that argument. But @spacerfc did not say that a businessman can't care about politics as...

You're repeating only the things you want to hear. You've left out the possibility that a lower stock price over a sufficient amount of time can cause staff to leave for job opportunities they deem to be better financially.

Someone ban this poster. He doesn't belong in our cult! Am I doing this right?

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You got it twisted and are moving the goal post. Reread my post. I never said he was incompetent. If he were, I wouldn't have been able to retire and travel the world in my 40s. I'm here to add a voice of reason to what is supposed be a forum about analyzing an investment. Why are you here? I...

Yes, he does. He just don't give a F. He just cares about his mission and being to express his own views and emotions. Years ago he said he wouldn't forget the early buyers who helped the company survive the early years. He never did anything to show that appreciation. To the contrary, Tesla...

Correct. I'm actually being generous. Sometimes my max charge is only 208. At any rate, 265 to 215 is 19% loss and that last chunk of loss occurred suddenly. As a side note, I very frequently noticed drops in range after installing a software update, even before the notorious one that this...

You're missing my point. Whatever the reason for the solar roof not panning out is, investors will (and should) take Elon's promises of great products in the future with a huge grain of salt. Another example is FSD/robotaxi. FSD is several years late and counting and despite Elon's optimism and...

That's my point. Back when the solar roof was announced people on this board were hyperventilating talking about the total addressable market which would include all homes in the world, and as you've said, the solar roof has fizzled out. Hence, it's difficult for a lot of investors to get...

It's hard to get too excited about the promise of new products when all of the promises of the solar roof and its multiple variants still haven't been fulfilled.

I wasn't notified but I seriously think I was affected. Around the late summer/fall of 2019 my max range on my Model S dropped from 233 miles to 220. Now I get 215.

Dumb question here. How can I get a piece of the class action settlement? I didn't know there was a settlement.

Ditto

Sounds like their customer service.

Umm, maybe he/she is here to analyze TSLA and not simply to read things that will make him feel better? Just a crazy thought.

Several posters are banking on the cybertruck selling in huge numbers. I didn't realize it is going to be the size of a Ford Raptor. Will that many people want a truck that size? I think the cybertruck will have a lot of cool features but I'm starting to wonder how many will be sold.

Not just blowing, also inhaling.

Please tell me the irony in this statement was intended.

Had the exact same thoughts last week when I picked up my new Model Y. What a value, I thought to myself. Too bad I don't view the brand image, which is inextricably linked to Elon, the same way I used to. I used to have plans to buy both a Cybertruck and Roadster when they come out, not because...

I replaced my MCU1 with MCU2 over a year ago. At first everything worked faster and smoother with MCU2 but now map drawing is starting to slow down again. When I zoom out, I'd say it takes 30-60 seconds for the map to completed with the traffic color code.

What's the best interest rate that people are getting these days and from whom?

Are the black and white seats made of the same material?

Are the black seats made of the same material as the white seats?

That is messed up. Makes me feel a little better I guess, though it shouldn't.

Yes, I own a Model S purchased in 2013.

This is messed up. I'm in Dallas, ordered on Jan. 14, white on white 19" Model Y and my delivery window shows March 31 - April 28.

Thanks. I'm planning to use for daily driving (almost like a grandma).

How long are these suspension systems expected to last?

How do you arrive at this conclusion? It seems like a stretch to say that the Q2 shutdown in China prevented 100K deliveries (which is the total number of deliveries short of 50% growth). Wouldn't this shortage have been made up in later quarters if the demand were there? And why would they have...

Agreed. I was sure the website was going to be updated on January 1, especially when the "Potential Savings" contains various speculative assumptions and the IRA tax credit is a much more concrete source of savings, if a buyer meets the requirements.

I have to agree with thesmokingman and dislike this post. False statements and blatant lies should be welcomed as long as they make me feel better.

This is some seriously weak sauce.

If you read between the lines, this statement, along with Elon's statement that they'd be willing drop the price as much as possible to maximize the number of vehicles sold, may bode well for the mission to transition to sustainable energy, but it does not bode well for TSLA. Invest accordingly.

Because that's not what this is. I want to hear all theses that have sound supporting arguments as well as criticisms of all unsound arguments. You seem to confuse wanting to hear all sides of an argument to mean wanting only to hear the bear side. This thread might not be for you.

Thought I'd give this a try. https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/tsla-objective-investment-analysis.289769/

Are you criticizing everyone else in this forum who listens to and quotes Elon's tweets, too? If so, go ahead.

I've been meaning to start this thread for a while and now I figured with the new year upon us it would be good to start a thread where a more objective analysis of TSLA is discussed and less cheerleading occurs. What I'd like to see is even-handed analysis of both positive and negative news and...

Not only that but they were wrong to attack his credibility and motives, which is why they deserve a face full of crow, especially the ones who don't have the courage to admit their mistake.

What's that I hear? It's the bell for people to get in line where crow soup is being served. Anyone who doesn't retract their criticism of Troy has zero credibility.

Nominated for Ironic Statement of the Year (though there's plenty of time remaining in the year).

FTFY

Ya don't say!

If only he could erase 2022.

How can you say that the cratering of the SP is due to an attack when so many previously ardent supporters and big TSLA investors have given up on Elon, there are signs of weakening demand in China and the US, people, including Eon, think a big recession could be coming, etc. Now you can believe...

Ad hominem

Now you're moving the goal posts. What Graham is saying is simply that Elon's repeated broken promises hurt his and Tesla's reputation. Maybe he shouldn't have made promises he wasn't sure he could keep. If Elon did feel sure about those promises, God help us.

No one is arguing those things about Bezos and Jobs. You think they were controversial in a similar fashion and extent that Elon has been?

This is a false dilemma argument as these are not the only two choices available.

In your comparison of Tesla recently to Apple and Amazon in the past, your befuddlement stems from ignoring the elephant in the room--their CEO's behavior and reputation.