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Despite ad hominem attacks which I believe transgress the rules of this forum I will continue.
My interest is to see Tesla prosper and not be brought down by the reckless actions of others.
Statements, that I assume will soon be forthcoming, like " I paid for this car and I should be able to do what the heck I like with it !"
will need to be challenged in some cases.
Mr Musk has brought to market a unique vehicle which was made possible with proven present day technology.
That being said anyone driving these vehicles, especially the Model S, should consider themselves to be an early adopter.
In about twenty years or so lithium battery technology will be mature. It will be resilient to what some may be doing which could be likened to abuse.
I would hate someone to have to berate themselves for ending up with a pooched battery pack, when it was not stupidity that did it, you were just not informed.
They say that experience is what you get - just after you needed it. Please take the time to peruse a few battery pack threads on this forum. You could begin with :
Tesla Motors Forum Model S Model S: Battery and Charging
In particular Long Term Battery Care and Charging Habits
See post #60 particularly the lifetime graph - from Panasonic - of battery capacity against total charge cycles.
I have read this whole thread and the practice which I read here - of high speed driving that entails more supercharger stops yet doesn't improve average speed but is still considered acceptable behavior is what caught my eye. That sort of activity, although somewhat fun, has got to go. It is a recipe for disaster that WILL cause rapid fading of charge capacity.
Reliance should not be placed on the favorable longterm reports of the roadster experience despite its population of 2600 vehicles. This is inapplicable since these models are not equipped to take advantage of the Supercharger. With some of the shenanigans that could be perpetrated regarding the use of the Supercharger network with Model S and beyond, I would almost have to say that this now looks to be a good thing.
That said, perhaps current owners could quote the STANDARD warranty on the battery itself ? I am lead to believe that it is four years or 50,000 miles whichever is earlier. Perhaps the persons now giving their battery packs the "works" could enlighten us.
Here is one way you can look at this. Owners who are contemplating selling in a few years, because that's what their ownership history reveals, are actually holding the car hostage from future buyers. The owner is going to demand a price for release of the car. Naturally the buyer has no way of knowing how the hostage car has been treated. And from a Russell Crowe movie I once watched, the buyer will want "Proof of Life". I do apologise if anyone is offended by this unintentional dark humour.
However providing such information for Proof of Life may not be that difficult. I would think that a suitably modified Supercharger, which already involves a direct DC link, could provide capability of draining the battery almost to the 3.0V cell level, in around two hours say, by sending the power back to the grid. But I expect there to be repercussions when a battery, previously rated at 85Kwh has been found to have slipped below the 40Kwh line, for example. Does anyone think that this is not going to impact resale value ? Worse still is when the news gets expanded by SA,MF and their ilk which may dampen future sales and affect me personally in the value of my stockholdings.
Thank you trigga for responding to my previous post in a polite manner but I am concerned about your battery since the mileage you are racking up may cause the warranty to expire in about a year.
Several other drivers, 7k after 5 months, 16k in 22 months and 40k in 20 months should be ok. Incidently the latter vehicle has the 85Kwh pack.
But aviators99 overuse of the SC may impact longevity of the battery, and trigga survives because the nearest SC is out of his way and the deep cycles are currently being replenished at the lower 6.6Kw rate at the moment.
And now to those who take offence at any of this. GET OFF MY GRASS. Thankyou
Despite ad hominem attacks which I believe transgress the rules of this forum I will continue.
My interest is to see Tesla prosper and not be brought down by the reckless actions of others.
Statements, that I assume will soon be forthcoming, like " I paid for this car and I should be able to do what the heck I like with it !"
will need to be challenged in some cases.
Mr Musk has brought to market a unique vehicle which was made possible with proven present day technology.
That being said anyone driving these vehicles, especially the Model S, should consider themselves to be an early adopter.
In about twenty years or so lithium battery technology will be mature. It will be resilient to what some may be doing which could be likened to abuse.
I would hate someone to have to berate themselves for ending up with a pooched battery pack, when it was not stupidity that did it, you were just not informed.
They say that experience is what you get - just after you needed it. Please take the time to peruse a few battery pack threads on this forum. You could begin with :
Tesla Motors Forum Model S Model S: Battery and Charging
In particular Long Term Battery Care and Charging Habits
See post #60 particularly the lifetime graph - from Panasonic - of battery capacity against total charge cycles.
I have read this whole thread and the practice which I read here - of high speed driving that entails more supercharger stops yet doesn't improve average speed but is still considered acceptable behavior is what caught my eye. That sort of activity, although somewhat fun, has got to go. It is a recipe for disaster that WILL cause rapid fading of charge capacity.
Reliance should not be placed on the favorable longterm reports of the roadster experience despite its population of 2600 vehicles. This is inapplicable since these models are not equipped to take advantage of the Supercharger. With some of the shenanigans that could be perpetrated regarding the use of the Supercharger network with Model S and beyond, I would almost have to say that this now looks to be a good thing.
That said, perhaps current owners could quote the STANDARD warranty on the battery itself ? I am lead to believe that it is four years or 50,000 miles whichever is earlier. Perhaps the persons now giving their battery packs the "works" could enlighten us.
Here is one way you can look at this. Owners who are contemplating selling in a few years, because that's what their ownership history reveals, are actually holding the car hostage from future buyers. The owner is going to demand a price for release of the car. Naturally the buyer has no way of knowing how the hostage car has been treated. And from a Russell Crowe movie I once watched, the buyer will want "Proof of Life". I do apologise if anyone is offended by this unintentional dark humour.
However providing such information for Proof of Life may not be that difficult. I would think that a suitably modified Supercharger, which already involves a direct DC link, could provide capability of draining the battery almost to the 3.0V cell level, in around two hours say, by sending the power back to the grid. But I expect there to be repercussions when a battery, previously rated at 85Kwh has been found to have slipped below the 40Kwh line, for example. Does anyone think that this is not going to impact resale value ? Worse still is when the news gets expanded by SA,MF and their ilk which may dampen future sales and affect me personally in the value of my stockholdings.
Thank you trigga for responding to my previous post in a polite manner but I am concerned about your battery since the mileage you are racking up may cause the warranty to expire in about a year.
Several other drivers, 7k after 5 months, 16k in 22 months and 40k in 20 months should be ok. Incidently the latter vehicle has the 85Kwh pack.
But aviators99 overuse of the SC may impact longevity of the battery, and trigga survives because the nearest SC is out of his way and the deep cycles are currently being replenished at the lower 6.6Kw rate at the moment.
And now to those who take offence at any of this. GET OFF MY GRASS. Thankyou
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